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Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy. He wanted to see who Jesus was, but because he was short he could not see over the crowd. So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way. When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, "zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today." So, he came down at once and welcomed him gladly.
All the people saw this and began to mutter,"He has gone to be the guest of a sinner."
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You left out this important part
He turned from his sin. That's different than a person who is living in on-going sin and has no intention of turning away from it.
This is the part that I wanted you to see:
All the people saw this and began to mutter,"He has gone to be the guest of a sinner."
Which is in line with your sentiments of 'Do not even eat with these people.'
Your entire view of 'Christianity' is based on Hollywood, people who wear crosses around their neck but don't own a bible, and what persecuted gays tell you
My church is incredibly fundamental and we have homosexuals speaking on stage all the time, leading in ministry, etc.
The difference, which you'll of course fail to see and accept, is that there's a difference between engaging in homosexual behavior and simply identifying as a homosexual
I'd recommend going to a local church and actually talking to some believers - Lord knows you can certainly use the healing
Your entire view of 'Christianity' is based on Hollywood, people who wear crosses around their neck but don't own a bible, and what persecuted gays tell you
My church is incredibly fundamental and we have homosexuals speaking on stage all the time, leading in ministry, etc.
The difference, which you'll of course fail to see and accept, is that there's a difference between engaging in homosexual behavior and simply identifying as a homosexual
I'd recommend going to a local church and actually talking to some believers - Lord knows you can certainly use the healing
Speaking about what? What would gays have to speak about at a fundie church?
Are the gays members of your church?
Not sure I will believe your answer if it is yes since you are a xian sinner/fibber.
Right, the forum here seems overrun by atheists and anti-Bible progressive Christians even though in reality, the vast majority of Christian denominations do not support homosexuality and accept the Bible as God's Word. Most Christian churches in America would be appalled at the kind of stuff Romulus or Warden is pushing as truth on here.
Well, I don't know about 'most' but 'some, most definitely. I'm well aware of the misinterpreted texts of scripture that has been and is (still) being preached in too many churches. It's tantamount to 'criminal' putting into the minds of gay people that they are evil and destined to eternal torment in hell.* So, of course many churches would be appalled by my 'take' on those particular scriptures. And, I'm perfectly fine knowing that. I am not accountable for one's scriptural ignorance so don't bother me with the guilt trip stuff, Jeff.
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You would think they would be more against Muslims on this topic since they DO support the death penalty for homosexuality. And yet people here have tried to box us in a corner trying to focus us to either believe in the death penalty or reject Leviticus which is a trap question.
Well, you brought it up so let me ask again a previous question that has either been ignored or has received a pitiful excuse for an answer. Do YOU believe that Leviticus 20:13 - in it's ENTIRETY! - is binding for we of today? Yes? No? It has to be one or the other, Jeff. If 'yes', then - since you interpret that passage of scripture to be aimed at homosexuals - you believe that homosexuals should be put to death ...right? And, why is this a 'trap question'? I'm asking a legit question and am likewise asking for an honest answer.
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My impression is that atheists are so passionately defensive of gay people because it is the easiest way now to scapegoat Christians and cause division.
Keep trying, Jeff.
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I doubt many of them gave a rip about the gay community in previous decades when most Americans did not agree with it.
I don't know what that means. But, it's rather typical.
* You DO believe that gay people will not receive eternity in God's kingdom but rather receive the punishment of eternal suffering in hell, do you not, Jeff? Speak to me . . .
I’m sick and tired of anti-Jesus posters slandering His good words and works and using Bible verses to destroy everything He stood for.
Saan, jeffbase40, JCHouseHunter, and other shameful Jesus haters should spend a hell of a lot more time concerned about their own sins before they spend a hell of a lot of time in hell—the correctional facility for Pharisees who pound their chests and tout how all the rest of us are going to their home base that Satan created for their hypocritical lifestyles.
I’m sick and tired of anti-Jesus posters slandering His good words and works and using Bible verses to destroy everything He stood for.
Saan, jeffbase40, JCHouseHunter, and other shameful Jesus haters should spend a hell of a lot more time concerned about their own sins before they spend a hell of a lot of time in hell—the correctional facility for Pharisees who pound their chests and tout how all the rest of us are going to their home base that Satan created for their hypocritical lifestyles.
Get your panties of out a wad dude. This topic of homosexuality is no different than if we were to say, straight people who sleep around are living in sexual immorality or if a known male escort or prostitute came on here about how they love Jesus, yet have to remorse of their lifestyle choice claiming they were born that way, they would be called out too, using the same biblical standards of sexual immortality.
Me, jeffbase40, JCHouseHunter, and a ton of others on here that simply dont comment on this topic anymore because they are attached and called all sorts of names, are the farthest from Jesus haters there is, compared to you and many of the other HEATHENS in here that keep trying to shove this disgusting lifestyle down Christians throats to be accepted as normal and look down on the bible
We actually know what Jesus stood for, and it was to repent of our sins and follow him, and you CANNOT be a practicing homosexual and following Jesus at the same time, as he will say to you he never knew you, if you die unrepentant in your sins. This applies to married people cheating on heir spouses and straight people that are going around and sleeping with everyone as well, as they are no better than homosexuals they probably think they are better than.
Pharisees were ones that looked down on others, yet ignored all their sins and most of the Pharisees issues were that they ignored the commands of god to try to enforce their man made rules. You have nothing on me, as I give to the church, help people in need, will give a homeless person or someone in need some money if I have any one me when approached at a gas station or grocery store, eventhough I know they are lying at times about the story they are telling me, I dont get drunk or high, im faithful to my wife and kid, and I could go on and on, so I can genuinely say YOU HAVE NOTHING ON ME. I guarantee in the end, you all will be the ones going to the the correctional facility for Pharisees, because you all dont have a relationship with God or Jesus, other than knowing how to say their name.
I guess old Paul Forgot that his Jesus did eat with those people...
What does Paul's teaching matter yo you, you dont even believe in the back half of the book anyways, so who are you to quote Paul when you reject and dont understand anything past the book of Malachi.
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