Why does homosexuality anger conservative Christians more than other sins? (Leviticus, woman)
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Get your panties of out a wad dude. This topic of homosexuality is no different than if we were to say, straight people who sleep around are living in sexual immorality or if a known male escort or prostitute came on here about how they love Jesus, yet have to remorse of their lifestyle choice claiming they were born that way, they would be called out too, using the same biblical standards of sexual immortality.
Me, jeffbase40, JCHouseHunter, and a ton of others on here that simply dont comment on this topic anymore because they are attached and called all sorts of names, are the farthest from Jesus haters there is, compared to you and many of the other HEATHENS in here that keep trying to shove this disgusting lifestyle down Christians throats to be accepted as normal and look down on the bible
We actually know what Jesus stood for, and it was to repent of our sins and follow him, and you CANNOT be a practicing homosexual and following Jesus at the same time, as he will say to you he never knew you, if you die unrepentant in your sins. This applies to married people cheating on heir spouses and straight people that are going around and sleeping with everyone as well, as they are no better than homosexuals they probably think they are better than.
Pharisees were ones that looked down on others, yet ignored all their sins and most of the Pharisees issues were that they ignored the commands of god to try to enforce their man made rules. You have nothing on me, as I give to the church, help people in need, will give a homeless person or someone in need some money if I have any one me when approached at a gas station or grocery store, eventhough I know they are lying at times about the story they are telling me, I dont get drunk or high, im faithful to my wife and kid, and I could go on and on, so I can genuinely say YOU HAVE NOTHING ON ME. I guarantee in the end, you all will be the ones going to the the correctional facility for Pharisees, because you all dont have a relationship with God or Jesus, other than knowing how to say their name.
You are correct. I don’t “have” anything on you. Paul, I suppose, was incorrect in his quote of the OT about “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Rom2:3) I’m sure you will say your a sinner, but when you open your mouth you will be a hypocrite because you spent an entire paragraph telling us of your “goodness” in order to appear better than others. I was saved before you were born. I was, confession time, a practicing fundamentalist. I’m a licensed Southern Baptist minister. I am 3 hours short of a double minor in Bible Studies from an accredited Southern Baptist University— back in a time where “liberal” professors taught beside conservative ones (until the fundamentalist purge began in the late eighties). So I got to see both sides of the Bible issues and got out of the ugly, patting myself on the back, fundamentalist cult.
But frankly, it’s all garbage. Fundamentalism is all about controlling “other” people. It’s not about letting the Holy Spirit convict anyone of their sins, it’s about calling out others as worse than you and demonizing their sins which you don’t practice. Holding on to the Bible as a “law book” is not holding on to Jesus.
If homosexuals cannot “practice” their homosexuality why do you forget all the adulterous couples in your church? If either partner divorced for other than adultery then both live in continuous adultery if they remarry. There are no Scripture verses saying they can “repent” without returning to their original spouses. No Scripture anywhere provides an “out” for them. So unless you stand as firmly against those remarried couples as you do against homosexuality you are one of the very Pharisees Jesus castigated.
I have no notion about any gay “lifestyle.” Their same sex attraction is not mine. But it is act of pure evil to demonize someone in whose shoes you have not walked and never will. But a systematic and concerted effort in the areas of business, psychology, religion and politics was initiated early in the 20th Century to conjure negative and, even repulsive thoughts, toward anyone even hinting they might be attracted to someone of the same sex. Jerry Falwell became a Southern Baptist after assisting in the right-wing takeover and successfully demonizing homosexuals.
I had a friend in that SBC university who was a closeted homosexual. I dated his sister for a short while. He was also a biblical studies student, a wonderful gospel piano player, and after college went on to be a minister and pastored an Indiana church. He preached a successful revival at my home church. He remained single, and it came as no surprise to me that he died of AIDS less than a decade later.
He was twice the Christian you think you are and three time the Christian I am.
There is certainly a fundamentalist lifestyle, and it is cultic, exclusatory, condemning and self-righteous. It was a long journey for me to escape my indoctrination but I have. There are literally scores of books and accounts by those who managed to find God while in that religious sewer of Law. But there is not even one book by a “liberal” who returned. It would be like crucifying Christ afresh.
You are correct. I don’t “have” anything on you. Paul, I suppose, was incorrect in his quote of the OT about “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Rom2:3) I’m sure you will say your a sinner, but when you open your mouth you will be a hypocrite because you spent an entire paragraph telling us of your “goodness” in order to appear better than others. I was saved before you were born. I was, confession time, a practicing fundamentalist. I’m a licensed Southern Baptist minister. I am 3 hours short of a double minor in Bible Studies from an accredited Southern Baptist University— back in a time where “liberal” professors taught beside conservative ones (until the fundamentalist purge began in the late eighties). So I got to see both sides of the Bible issues and got out of the ugly, patting myself on the back, fundamentalist cult.
But frankly, it’s all garbage. Fundamentalism is all about controlling “other” people. It’s not about letting the Holy Spirit convict anyone of their sins, it’s about calling out others as worse than you and demonizing their sins which you don’t practice. Holding on to the Bible as a “law book” is not holding on to Jesus.
If homosexuals cannot “practice” their homosexuality why do you forget all the adulterous couples in your church? If either partner divorced for other than adultery then both live in continuous adultery if they remarry. There are no Scripture verses saying they can “repent” without returning to their original spouses. No Scripture anywhere provides an “out” for them. So unless you stand as firmly against those remarried couples as you do against homosexuality you are one of the very Pharisees Jesus castigated.
I have no notion about any gay “lifestyle.” Their same sex attraction is not mine. But it is act of pure evil to demonize someone in whose shoes you have not walked and never will. But a systematic and concerted effort in the areas of business, psychology, religion and politics was initiated early in the 20th Century to conjure negative and, even repulsive thoughts, toward anyone even hinting they might be attracted to someone of the same sex. Jerry Falwell became a Southern Baptist after assisting in the right-wing takeover and successfully demonizing homosexuals.
I had a friend in that SBC university who was a closeted homosexual. I dated his sister for a short while. He was also a biblical studies student, a wonderful gospel piano player, and after college went on to be a minister and pastored an Indiana church. He preached a successful revival at my home church. He remained single, and it came as no surprise to me that he died of AIDS less than a decade later.
He was twice the Christian you think you are and three times the Christian I am.
There is certainly a fundamentalist lifestyle, and it is cultic, exclusatory, condemning and self-righteous. It was a long journey for me to escape my indoctrination but I have. There are literally scores of books and accounts by those who managed to find God while in that religious sewer of Law. But there is not even one book by a “liberal” who returned. It would be like crucifying Christ afresh.
Preach it, Warden. If I had a Church, you would be my pastor.
You are correct. I don’t “have” anything on you. Paul, I suppose, was incorrect in his quote of the OT about “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Rom2:3) I’m sure you will say your a sinner, but when you open your mouth you will be a hypocrite because you spent an entire paragraph telling us of your “goodness” in order to appear better than others. I was saved before you were born. I was, confession time, a practicing fundamentalist. I’m a licensed Southern Baptist minister. I am 3 hours short of a double minor in Bible Studies from an accredited Southern Baptist University— back in a time where “liberal” professors taught beside conservative ones (until the fundamentalist purge began in the late eighties). So I got to see both sides of the Bible issues and got out of the ugly, patting myself on the back, fundamentalist cult.
But frankly, it’s all garbage. Fundamentalism is all about controlling “other” people. It’s not about letting the Holy Spirit convict anyone of their sins, it’s about calling out others as worse than you and demonizing their sins which you don’t practice. Holding on to the Bible as a “law book” is not holding on to Jesus.
If homosexuals cannot “practice” their homosexuality why do you forget all the adulterous couples in your church? If either partner divorced for other than adultery then both live in continuous adultery if they remarry. There are no Scripture verses saying they can “repent” without returning to their original spouses. No Scripture anywhere provides an “out” for them. So unless you stand as firmly against those remarried couples as you do against homosexuality you are one of the very Pharisees Jesus castigated.
I have no notion about any gay “lifestyle.” Their same sex attraction is not mine. But it is act of pure evil to demonize someone in whose shoes you have not walked and never will. But a systematic and concerted effort in the areas of business, psychology, religion and politics was initiated early in the 20th Century to conjure negative and, even repulsive thoughts, toward anyone even hinting they might be attracted to someone of the same sex. Jerry Falwell became a Southern Baptist after assisting in the right-wing takeover and successfully demonizing homosexuals.
I had a friend in that SBC university who was a closeted homosexual. I dated his sister for a short while. He was also a biblical studies student, a wonderful gospel piano player, and after college went on to be a minister and pastored an Indiana church. He preached a successful revival at my home church. He remained single, and it came as no surprise to me that he died of AIDS less than a decade later.
He was twice the Christian you think you are and three time the Christian I am.
There is certainly a fundamentalist lifestyle, and it is cultic, exclusatory, condemning and self-righteous. It was a long journey for me to escape my indoctrination but I have. There are literally scores of books and accounts by those who managed to find God while in that religious sewer of Law. But there is not even one book by a “liberal” who returned. It would be like crucifying Christ afresh.
Im betting the resident fundie gay bashers are done with this thread.
Right jeffbase, Jimmiyj, choirloft?
based on your non answers, the god you worship WOULD NOT send you to eternal torture for killing a practicing homo.
praise jesus.
go get them guys!
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
I gave you an answer. I don't answer stupid irrelevant questions.
Jeff, professed Christians like Pastor Steven Anderson of Tempe, Arizona, fully believe that homosexuals should be put to death. And, he sites Leviticus 20:13 as his source for such a belief. And, don't think for a moment that Anderson doesn't have many supporters. He's not the only one. Moreover, while he claims that 'the average Joe' should not be responsible for executing gay people but rather a task performed by the government, he believes that 'the executioner' - whoever that may be - would simply be carrying out a command from God and therefore be exempt from any 'divine' penalty applicable for murder.
Now, I realize that you regard all the difficult questions as 'stupid and irrelevant'. However, for others on the thread who might generally agree with your stance on the subject of homosexuality, do you agree with Pastor Anderson's belief that, according to Leviticus 20:13 (which I believe YOU have presented to support YOUR anti-gay stance elsewhere on this thread), homosexuals should be put to death? How about a 'yes' or a 'no' as well as an appropriate explanation as to why you gave either of these responses? Alternatively, if the questions put you in a position of feeling inadequate to respond with anything remotely meaningful ...then just say 'these questions are stupid and irrelevant' and we'll understand ...okay?
Jeff, professed Christians like Pastor Steven Anderson of Tempe, Arizona, fully believe that homosexuals should be put to death. And, he sites Leviticus 20:13 as his source for such a belief. And, don't think for a moment that Anderson doesn't have many supporters. He's not the only one. Moreover, while he claims that 'the average Joe' should not be responsible for executing gay people but rather a task performed by the government, he believes that 'the executioner' - whoever that may be - would simply be carrying out a command from God and therefore be exempt from any 'divine' penalty applicable for murder.
Steve Anderson preaches a false gospel and makes disgusting inflammation remarks so people like you will give him attention. His church is tiny and meets in a strip mall. You claim he has many supporters, but I don't see it. His church is not affiliated with any denominations either.
If Anderson calls for the execution based on Leviticus then he would be a hypocrite if he didn't call for the execution of adulters and children disobedient to their parents which are also outlawed in the same pasages.
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Originally Posted by RomulusXXV
Now, I realize that you regard all the difficult questions as 'stupid and irrelevant'. However, for others on the thread who might generally agree with your stance on the subject of homosexuality, do you agree with Pastor Anderson's belief that, according to Leviticus 20:13 (which I believe YOU have presented to support YOUR anti-gay stance elsewhere on this thread), homosexuals should be put to death? How about a 'yes' or a 'no' as well as an appropriate explanation as to why you gave either of these responses? Alternatively, if the questions put you in a position of feeling inadequate to respond with anything remotely meaningful ...then just say 'these questions are stupid and irrelevant' and we'll understand ...okay?
No I don't agree. Christ already paid the death penalty for our sins so His death and sacrifice would be pointless if we are still under God's judgement laid out in the OT. The punishment is null and void, but that doesn't mean that the activity is suddenly not sinful in God's eyes. The moral essence of the laws still apply
Steve Anderson preaches a false gospel and makes disgusting inflammation remarks so people like you will give him attention. His church is tiny and meets in a strip mall. You claim he has many supporters, but I don't see it. His church is not affiliated with any denominations either.
If Anderson calls for the execution based on Leviticus then he would be a hypocrite if he didn't call for the execution of adulters and children disobedient to their parents which are also outlawed in the same pasages.
No I don't agree. Christ already paid the death penalty for our sins so His death and sacrifice would be pointless if we are still under God's judgement laid out in the OT. The punishment is null and void, but that doesn't mean that the activity is suddenly not sinful in God's eyes. The moral essence of the laws still apply
Hmmm. You said "The punishment is null and void." Is there a verse that says so?
You also said "doesn't mean that the activity is suddenly not sinful in God's eyes." Which verse says the sin is still a sin, but there is no punishment for it?
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