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I've read every single post on this thread and as an one that believes "homosexuals" (as well as a few others of sexual inclination) are born the way they are and should be accepted that way ……...are not all of you that are piling on Jeff and Finn condemning and judging in much the same way that they are??
Do you feel more 'holy' and pure to be beating on them day after day or, I believe there's a Bible reference to this, are not you the ones that are doing the 'stoning'?
Of course they are, and it is super-ironic they end up being guilty of the very thing they accuse others of (without evidence). Their own words are evidence of their own wrongdoing.
This is what people typically say in order to justify their judgmentalism.
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." - JC
I am judging in a way I would want to be judged. I would want someone to point out where Jesus would say I am in the same camp with Pharisees. He had strong words to say about them. Strong words. Didn't see him say anything like that to prostitutes or drunks or lepers or tax collectors or any of the other people the religious hierarchy of the day looked down upon and rejected from the religious institutions of the day.
I am judging in a way I would want to be judged. I would want someone to point out where Jesus would say I am in the same camp with Pharisees. He had strong words to say about them. Strong words. Didn't see him say anything like that to prostitutes or drunks or lepers or tax collectors or any of the other people the religious hierarchy of the day looked down upon and rejected from the religious institutions of the day.
A gay rights panel discussion aired on YLE2 on October 12, 2010, was followed by an unprecedented high number of people leaving the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland. In 2014, thousands of Finns resigned from the Church, following comments made by church officials supporting the same-sex marriage legislation.
Wikipedia is occasionally wrong. Here is another separate news report:
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It’s been an interesting week for gay rights in Europe, and not such a good one for the religious right. On Tuesday of last week, the Finnish Broadcasting Company hosted a live gay rights panel, with people from both sides gathered for a strikingly civil discussion.
What was unexpected was the aftermath. As a result of the anti-gay comments made by some of the religious panelists, 30,000 people have resigned from the state church, according to official statistics.
According to the head of the agnostics association, Petri Karisma, while most of those who chose to leave the church appeared to be conservatives angered by Archbishop Mäkinen's support for gender-neutral marriage, liberals objected to the Church's overall position. "In spite of Archbishop Kari Mäkinen's positive comments the church's official position on same-sex marriage is negative. This has now led to a situation where liberals are also leaving," Karisma told the Iltalehti daily paper.
And this certainly sounds like the existing situation in the UMC where liberals and conservatives have been dropping out. My own church had one family leave because they felt the UMC was too accepting (late last year) while another dropped out because they felt it wasn’t accepting enough.
So I will apologize for not being as thorough as I usually am.
Want to meet me halfway? Testing, testing, testing.
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I am judging in a way I would want to be judged. I would want someone to point out where Jesus would say I am in the same camp with Pharisees. He had strong words to say about them. Strong words. Didn't see him say anything like that to prostitutes or drunks or lepers or tax collectors or any of the other people the religious hierarchy of the day looked down upon and rejected from the religious institutions of the day.
I will gladly accept that form of judgment.
So, it is ok to judge if you first label your target as Pharisee? Is that they way you think it works?
You are only fooling yourself, and no one else, and certainly not Jesus. He does not approve of a false witness. Strong words about such people. Strong words.
And yes, He actually wants you to obey his instruction about judging, and not hide behind excuses.
I've read every single post on this thread and as an one that believes "homosexuals" (as well as a few others of sexual inclination) are born the way they are and should be accepted that way ……...are not all of you that are piling on Jeff and Finn condemning and judging in much the same way that they are??
Do you feel more 'holy' and pure to be beating on them day after day or, I believe there's a Bible reference to this, are not you the ones that are doing the 'stoning'?
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Of course they are, and it is super-ironic they end up being guilty of the very thing they accuse others of (without evidence). Their own words are evidence of their own wrongdoing.
Careful Old Cold with your words, or Mr. Jarber will exploit and twist them to serve his own agenda.
I am judging in a way I would want to be judged. I would want someone to point out where Jesus would say I am in the same camp with Pharisees. He had strong words to say about them. Strong words. Didn't see him say anything like that to prostitutes or drunks or lepers or tax collectors or any of the other people the religious hierarchy of the day looked down upon and rejected from the religious institutions of the day.
I will gladly accept that form of judgment.
No, he just told the prostitutes and tax collectors to go and sin no more. He never encouraged them to remain in their lifestyle.
So did Jesus. Toward Phrarisees. Toward those that held up standards that kept people away from God in fear and condemnation and which in turn they only kept by appearance but not in their heart. Seems fitting.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
This is what people typically say in order to justify their stone throwing.
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." - JC
I thought you said you take the Bible literally. Why not this instruction? It is one of the more important teachings. Why do you cherry pick verses and pretend it is a license to judge. You are not Jesus, and no one here is a Pharisee, so put your rocks down.
It appears that he has a great deal more integrity than you do Mr. Jarber.
I am judging in a way I would want to be judged. I would want someone to point out where Jesus would say I am in the same camp with Pharisees. He had strong words to say about them. Strong words. Didn't see him say anything like that to prostitutes or drunks or lepers or tax collectors or any of the other people the religious hierarchy of the day looked down upon and rejected from the religious institutions of the day.
I will gladly accept that form of judgment.
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
No, he just told the prostitutes and tax collectors to go and sin no more. He never encouraged them to remain in their lifestyle.
Where did he discriminate against those you believe are sinners?
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