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J[COLOR="Navy" ]esus never breathed a word about homosexuality. Had it been such a sinful practice - such as adultery which He DID address - Jesus would surely have alluded to it. But, He didn't. [/color]
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
He didn't need to. His audience was Jews who already knew that sodomy was a grave sin.
There was no such thing as 'sodomy'. Nowhere in scripture will you find that word. Nowhere in scripture will you find an EQUIVALENT word in Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. And please, spare me the 'arsenokoitai debate!
This is not to mention that adultery was punishable by stoning to death if caught in the act. This didn't stop Jesus from talking about it to those who ALREADY knew this. No, homosexuality was not even on Jesus' radar. Besides, this is somewhat off-topic.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
So, how many gay people have you put to death, J'T? There's no point putting out these scriptures if you're only going along with 50% of their content.
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Originally Posted by Jesus'Truth
Jesus tells us that marriage and sex is between a man and a woman.
Well, we're a bit off-topic - this is supposed to be about Sodom and Gomorrah - but you may find this interesting since you brought up marriage and sex is between a man and a woman. Might a 'God-approved marriage' be one of the following?
Polygynous Marriage: Probably the most common form of marriage in the bible, it is where a man has more than one wife.
Levirate Marriage: When a woman was widowed without a son, it became the responsibility of the brother-in-law or a close male relative to take her in and impregnate her. If the resulting child was a son, he would be considered the heir of her late husband. See Ruth, and the story of Onan (Gen. 38:6-10).
A man, a woman and her property — a female slave: The famous “handmaiden” sketch, as preformed by Abraham (Gen. 16:1-6) and Jacob (Gen. 30:4-5).
A man, one or more wives, and some concubines: The definition of a concubine varies from culture to culture, but they tended to be live-in mistresses. Concubines were tied to their “husband,” but had a lower status than a wife. Their children were not usually heirs, so they were safe outlets for sex without risking the line of succession. To see how badly a concubine could be treated, see the famous story of the Levite and his concubine (Judges 19:1-30).
A male soldier and a female prisoner of war: Women could be taken as booty from a successful campaign and forced to become wives or concubines. Deuteronomy 21:11-14 describes the process.
A male rapist and his victim: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 describes how an unmarried woman who had been raped must marry her attacker.
A male and female slave: A female slave could be married to a male slave without consent, presumably to produce more slaves.
and of course …
Monogamous, heterosexual marriage: What you might think of as the standard form of marriage, provided you think of arranged marriages as the standard. Also remember that inter-faith or cross-ethnic marriage were forbidden for large chunks of biblical history.
So, how many gay people have you put to death, J'T? There's no point putting out these scriptures if you're only going along with 50% of their content.
So you think if I don't personally put gay people to death it means I don't believe the scriptures?
There are other countries that put gays to death and my country doesn't.
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Originally Posted by RomulusXXV
Well, we're a bit off-topic - this is supposed to be about Sodom and Gomorrah - but you may find this interesting since you brought up marriage and sex is between a man and a woman. Might a 'God-approved marriage' be one of the following?
[color="DarkRed"] Polygynous Marriage: Probably the most common form of marriage in the bible, it is where a man has more than one wife.
Jesus says that is not the way it was supposed to be, and he changed that.
Maybe I shoulda said Lord have mercy, as in I can't believe what I just read.
Your "Have mercy" was sufficient. I'm sure most of us knew what you meant and some of us agreed with your response regarding J'T's:
"Sodom and Gomorrah is about homosexuality being wrong and the fact that Lot offered his two daughters to be raped is proof that homosexual sex is even worse."
So, how many gay people have you put to death, J'T? There's no point putting out these scriptures if you're only going along with 50% of their content.
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Originally Posted by Jesus'Truth
So you think if I don't personally put gay people to death, it means I don't believe the scriptures?
I'm not suggesting for one second that you go out and kill gay people but isn't God's word - as YOU believe it to be in this case - something that you claim to follow? You DID, after all, post Leviticus 20:13 which YOU believe condemns gay people to death. Why post it at all unless you believe every word of it?
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Originally Posted by Jesus'Truth
There are other countries that put gays to death and my country doesn't.
So these other countries that put gay people to death can't be condemned because they are being obedient to God's word ...right?
The death penalty was commanded by God for many alleged 'sinful acts'. These included:
1. Murder (Ex 21:12,14)(Lev 24:17,21)(Num 35:16-21,30-31)
2. Kidnapping (Ex 21:16)(Deut 24:7)
3. Child sacrifice (Lev 20:2)
4. Both the man and woman who commit adultery (Lev 20:10)(Deut 22:22-24)
5. Rape (Deut 22:25)
6. Daughter of a priest who became a prostitute (Lev 21:9)
7. An idolater (Ex 22:20)(Deut 17:2-5)(Num 25:1-5)
8. Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14)(Ex 35:2)(Num 15:32-36)
9. A woman having sex before marriage (Deut 22:21-22)
10. Homosexuality (Lev 20:13)
11. A man and his father’s wife who have sex (Lev 20:11)
12. A man and daughter-in-law who have sex (Lev 20:12)
13. A man who marries a woman and her mother (all 3 must die) (Lev 20:14)
14. Bestiality (Sex with an animal) (Ex 22:19)(Lev 20:15-16)
15. A false prophet (Deut 13:5)(Deut 18:20)
16. A false witness (Deut 19:16-21)
17. A disobedient son (Deut 21:18-21)
18. A child who strikes his father or mother (Ex 21:15)
19. A child who curses his father or mother (Ex 21:17)(Lev 20:9)
20. Men who are fighting and hit a pregnant woman, causing her lose her baby (Ex 21:22-25) ***Note: A good verse to use against those who are pro-abortion
21. A man whose ox kills someone after previously goring other people (Ex 21:28-29)
22. A sorceress (Ex 22:18)
23. A medium or spiritist (Lev 20:27)
24. A brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend who entices you to go after other gods (Deut 13:6-11)
25. Everyone in any town that entices people to go after other gods (Deut 13:12-15)
26. A blasphemer (Lev 24:10-16,23)
27. Anyone who failed to abide by a decision of the court (Deut 17:8-12)
28. Any non-Levite who tried to set up or take down the Tabernacle (Num 1:51)
I'm not suggesting for one second that you go out and kill gay people but isn't God's word - as YOU believe it to be in this case - something that you claim to follow? You DID, after all, post Leviticus 20:13 which YOU believe condemns gay people to death. Why post it at all unless you believe every word of it?
So these other countries that put gay people to death can't be condemned because they are being obedient to God's word ...right?
The death penalty was commanded by God for many alleged 'sinful acts'. These included:
1. Murder (Ex 21:12,14)(Lev 24:17,21)(Num 35:16-21,30-31)
2. Kidnapping (Ex 21:16)(Deut 24:7)
3. Child sacrifice (Lev 20:2)
4. Both the man and woman who commit adultery (Lev 20:10)(Deut 22:22-24)
5. Rape (Deut 22:25)
6. Daughter of a priest who became a prostitute (Lev 21:9)
7. An idolater (Ex 22:20)(Deut 17:2-5)(Num 25:1-5)
8. Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14)(Ex 35:2)(Num 15:32-36)
9. A woman having sex before marriage (Deut 22:21-22)
10. Homosexuality (Lev 20:13)
11. A man and his father’s wife who have sex (Lev 20:11)
12. A man and daughter-in-law who have sex (Lev 20:12)
13. A man who marries a woman and her mother (all 3 must die) (Lev 20:14)
14. Bestiality (Sex with an animal) (Ex 22:19)(Lev 20:15-16)
15. A false prophet (Deut 13:5)(Deut 18:20)
16. A false witness (Deut 19:16-21)
17. A disobedient son (Deut 21:18-21)
18. A child who strikes his father or mother (Ex 21:15)
19. A child who curses his father or mother (Ex 21:17)(Lev 20:9)
20. Men who are fighting and hit a pregnant woman, causing her lose her baby (Ex 21:22-25) ***Note: A good verse to use against those who are pro-abortion
21. A man whose ox kills someone after previously goring other people (Ex 21:28-29)
22. A sorceress (Ex 22:18)
23. A medium or spiritist (Lev 20:27)
24. A brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend who entices you to go after other gods (Deut 13:6-11)
25. Everyone in any town that entices people to go after other gods (Deut 13:12-15)
26. A blasphemer (Lev 24:10-16,23)
27. Anyone who failed to abide by a decision of the court (Deut 17:8-12)
28. Any non-Levite who tried to set up or take down the Tabernacle (Num 1:51)
And many professed Christians today STILL insist in using Leviticus to vilify gay people!
Um, are we off-topic or is this somehow relative to the thread subject?
The New Testament tells us it is still a sin.
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There was no such thing as 'sodomy'. Nowhere in scripture will you find that word. Nowhere in scripture will you find an EQUIVALENT word in Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. And please, spare me the 'arsenokoitai debate! 
