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Old 10-05-2015, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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We will never lie about our beliefs no matter what the consequence.
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Why say anything?
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Why not say something?

If I am asked a specific question I will answer.

Could it be ignorance that desires to have the last word?
Does "he spoke not a word" mean anything to you?
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Old 10-05-2015, 09:26 PM
 
Location: california
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God knows what is going to happen , and how to protect those that He want's preserved through an event .
It seems you want God to fit your conditions but your unwilling to fit His.
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Old 10-05-2015, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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No, I do not for ONE SECOND believe that the Oregon shooter was targeting Christians, asking people their religion, etc. I believe he was a mentally deranged man, period.

But, disgustingly, this has been turned into some sort of Christians-are-being-persecuted-so-let's-make-a-meme kind of thing. If you are on FB at all, I'm sure you've seen them.


So, do you, as a Christian, really believe that if someone has a gun to your head and asks if you are a Christian - knowing that if you say "No" you will live (in this fake scenario) - that you are supposed to say "Yes"? Do you truly believe you are supposed to die for your faith? That God would not prefer you to say "No" and be able to live out the rest of your life?


Someone's spending too much time perched on the computer, and has no idea what's going on in the world.
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Old 10-05-2015, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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God knows what is going to happen , and how to protect those that He want's preserved through an event.
It seems you want God to fit your conditions but your unwilling to fit His.
In any event, this is an ignorant statement.
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Old 10-05-2015, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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So all of the witnesses are lying?

I would not deny being a Christian. I'll be dead for much longer than I'll be alive.
Bravado comes easy to anonymous posters on the internet.
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Old 10-06-2015, 02:45 PM
 
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No, I do not for ONE SECOND believe that the Oregon shooter was targeting Christians, asking people their religion, etc. I believe he was a mentally deranged man, period.

But, disgustingly, this has been turned into some sort of Christians-are-being-persecuted-so-let's-make-a-meme kind of thing. If you are on FB at all, I'm sure you've seen them.


So, do you, as a Christian, really believe that if someone has a gun to your head and asks if you are a Christian - knowing that if you say "No" you will live (in this fake scenario) - that you are supposed to say "Yes"? Do you truly believe you are supposed to die for your faith? That God would not prefer you to say "No" and be able to live out the rest of your life?

So is it that you don't believe the eye witness accounts, or that you can't fathom a mentally deranged person could do this of his own volition?

Nobody HAS to die for their faith, but they have to be willing to. Every person is different as are the scenarios that could and do occur. No one really knows until he/she gets there. Peter denied Jesus 3 times very vehemently.
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Old 10-07-2015, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Illinois
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So is it that you don't believe the eye witness accounts, or that you can't fathom a mentally deranged person could do this of his own volition?

Nobody HAS to die for their faith, but they have to be willing to.

Every person is different as are the scenarios that could and do occur. No one really knows until he/she gets there. Peter denied Jesus 3 times very vehemently.
Actually, no, no one has to be willing to die for their faith. It's pretty sick to think that someone can't be considered a true believer until they are willing to die for their faith. That is brainwashed, cult-like thinking. It is sad that there are so many brainwashed people who would be willing to die at the hands of a madman to prove something. Sad and sick.

As for the other, the shooter shot everyone. It didn't matter if they said anything - he shot the teacher without asking him anything, he shot a woman in a wheelchair when she was on the floor trying to climb back in (while he was taunting her), and he shot a woman in the back when she said her religion was "nothing." All these accounts are coming out and yet the fundie Christians are still treating it as though they were singled out and only the Christians who testified their faith were brave. Sick.
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Old 10-07-2015, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Gettysburg, PA
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So, do you, as a Christian, really believe that if someone has a gun to your head and asks if you are a Christian - knowing that if you say "No" you will live (in this fake scenario) - that you are supposed to say "Yes"? Do you truly believe you are supposed to die for your faith? That God would not prefer you to say "No" and be able to live out the rest of your life?
Christian means so many things these days so I would hope I would be able to state what type of Christian I am, yet I hope that I would by the grace of God be able to say Yes instead of No (if it was only the one or the other that can be said).

It's not about this world, it is about the next. The Christian who focuses too much on being able to live in this world and enjoy it is missing the point. The meaning of our lives is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. Glorifying God as far as I can understand is praising Him, and I don't see how denying belief in Him can be praising Him. In fact, Christians living right after the time of Christ counted it a great joy to be persecuted for His name (to be considered worthy enough by God to be set apart for this purpose). It is frightening to think of being actually killed for believing upon Jesus, but I pray that I will never deny belief in Him if it comes to that.
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Old 10-07-2015, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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His Word tells me that "Whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven" (Matt 10:33). Besides, as soon as he kills me, I'll be with the Lord instead of here on this deranged planet. I would not deny Him.
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Old 10-07-2015, 10:33 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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Strange, listening to christian radio stations here in Detroit, I have yet to hear ONE pastor say he / she would have proudly said CHRISTIAN and took the bullet--most said whatever you can do to survive would be quite OK with Jesus. A few even encouraged LYING as the person obviously was EVIL and no one is obligated to speak the truth to EVIL..
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