The Apostasy what Wasn't--- (Moses, Holy Spirit, Jesus, Kingdom)
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First of all -- no, the RCC has not been around for 2000 years. That's a baseless claim.
Second of all....even if that WERE the case, there is nothing in scripture to suggest that it could not teach error. We know that even in the 1st Century there were false teachers infiltrating the church. That's why Peter and Paul and the other apostles wrote epistles -- to counter the false teachings. It's also why Paul confronted the guy your church claims was the pope and corrected his error.
The fact is, if we compare the teachings of your church with the inspired teachings of the apostles we see some problems. Why should we believe your church, and your church's leaders, over them?
And Paul was right to correct Peter in that instance. The Pope is not infallible each time he says anything, only in doctrinal affairs. Too bad you don't have more respect for St. Peter who was martyred for the faith.
First of all -- no, the RCC has not been around for 2000 years. That's a baseless claim.
Second of all....even if that WERE the case, there is nothing in scripture to suggest that it could not teach error. We know that even in the 1st Century there were false teachers infiltrating the church. That's why Peter and Paul and the other apostles wrote epistles -- to counter the false teachings. It's also why Paul confronted the guy your church claims was the pope and corrected his error.
I find this kind of bickering over which church has been around longest and which is the true church instituted by Christ to be vain posturing. NO church was established by Christ, just an ecclesia of three or more followers and no one is any more authoritative than any other . . . ie. no hierarchy or titles differentiating among the ecclesia. Besides, Vizio, YOUR church would not even exist if not for the RCC from which it eventually split.
You can listen to the podcast here on why the early Church was never broken and how it still can trace it's founding to the very beginning.
The use of statues and icons( little metal cross) is forbidden to use by a true follower( ot)-- Do not call any man--Father( spiritual teacher this refers)( nt)
Jesus taught to pray to the Father--period.
Jesus teaches--the Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.( John 17:1-6,26) ---6,26= Jehovah
There is 0 doubt in all creation--the rise of Catholicism = 2Thess 2:3= the great apostasy.
No trinity god was taught at the first council of Nicea--it was a creation at a later council( because the greeks were refusing to join a religion with a single being God)
Jesus and his real teachers( Paul, Peter, John) are all 100% in agreement--Jesus has a God-his Father--today his real teachers teach the same. John 20:17, Rev 3:12---2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28---1Peter 1:3---Rev 1:6
Through the centuries--Catholicism bloodguilt has amassed to the heavens.
The use of statues and icons( little metal cross) is forbidden to use by a true follower( ot)-- Do not call any man--Father( spiritual teacher this refers)( nt)
Jesus taught to pray to the Father--period.
Jesus teaches--the Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.( John 17:1-6,26) ---6,26= Jehovah
There is 0 doubt in all creation--the rise of Catholicism = 2Thess 2:3= the great apostasy.
No trinity god was taught at the first council of Nicea--it was a creation at a later council( because the greeks were refusing to join a religion with a single being God)
Jesus and his real teachers( Paul, Peter, John) are all 100% in agreement--Jesus has a God-his Father--today his real teachers teach the same. John 20:17, Rev 3:12---2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28---1Peter 1:3---Rev 1:6
Through the centuries--Catholicism bloodguilt has amassed to the heavens.
Dear k,
The Nicene Creed includes a Trinity provision. The Trinitarian Christianity was not formally accepted as the Empire's legitimate church until the edict made by Theodosius in 380. Theodosius later convened a church Council in 381 to rubber stamp his edict. The whole process was about unification of the Empire, and had nothing to do with the truth of the matter.
Paul was a self professed apostle, whose took upon himself to be a teacher, and to preach a gospel in opposition to that of Yeshua, and set up his own church, which had teachers, apostles, prophets, and leaders.
And Paul was right to correct Peter in that instance. The Pope is not infallible each time he says anything, only in doctrinal affairs. Too bad you don't have more respect for St. Peter who was martyred for the faith.
Dear jan,
Peter, as the one put who was put "in charge of the royal household" (Isaiah 22:15), with the keys of David (Is 22:22) was "deposed" from "office" (Is 22:19)["bring you where you do not wish to go" (John 21:18)], because of the "shame" he brought onto his "master's house" (Is 22:18). Peter is simply the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17, who did not feed, care or tend the sheep. (Zech 11:16).
As stated by Yeshua in Mt 16:34, Peter was a "stumbling block" then, and he and his successor remain one today. At the "end of the age", the "stumbling blocks" will be removed. (Mt 13:41)
Dear k,
The Nicene Creed includes a Trinity provision. The Trinitarian Christianity was not formally accepted as the Empire's legitimate church until the edict made by Theodosius in 380. Theodosius later convened a church Council in 381 to rubber stamp his edict. The whole process was about unification of the Empire, and had nothing to do with the truth of the matter.
Paul was a self professed apostle, whose took upon himself to be a teacher, and to preach a gospel in opposition to that of Yeshua, and set up his own church, which had teachers, apostles, prophets, and leaders.
Pauls teachings are in harmony with Jesus. The other apostles like Peter knew exactly what Jesus taught--they stood by Pauls side. Paul even corrected Peter on an occasion. And Paul was correct.
There is 0 trinity in existence.
Nobody has the right to even speak about this subject unless they've read a library's worth from the Church Fathers to even discuss the nature of these topics without reading of work such as a city of God by st. Augustine renders any viewpoint utterly devoid of value.
Pauls teachings are in harmony with Jesus. The other apostles like Peter knew exactly what Jesus taught--they stood by Pauls side. Paul even corrected Peter on an occasion. And Paul was correct.
There is 0 trinity in existence.
Dear kj,
Peter was the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17, and he was "annihilated" along with Judas Iscariot (Zech 11:13), and Paul, who is described as "Favor" (Ze 11:10), which is an association with his false gospel of grace (being in God's favor), and it was all done in the same generation (Zech 11:8). Peter and Paul were the 2 shepherds taken to "pasture" the "flock doomed for slaughter" (Ze 11:7).
The Roman church was instituted in 325 AD by the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine, and the Trinity obscenity was only part of his "intending to make alterations in times and in the Law" as the king described as "another will rise up after them" of Daniel 7:24-25.
Paul had no need of James, Cephas, and John, and his words were they had "nothing to contribute to me." (Gal 2:6) Paul was a law unto himself, who accursed even the angels of heaven if they should preach anything other than what he had spoken (Gal 1:8). His pomposity is reflected in the views and practices of his followers.
As for Paul bad mouthing Peter, Peter was put "in charge of the royal household" (Is 22:15), and shamed the "master's house", and was deposed. His replacement, the popes, who also had the keys of the "the house of David" (Is 22:22) will also "fall" "in that day", and all hanging on them will be "cut off".
And no, Paul's teachings are not in "harmony" with the testimony of Yeshua. As Paul's teaching's were all things to all men, one can pick and choose how much to harmonize with, but in the end, Paul taught lawlessness, and his hypocrisy is blatant. (Romans 7:25)
Nobody has the right to even speak about this subject unless they've read a library's worth from the Church Fathers to even discuss the nature of these topics without reading of work such as a city of God by st. Augustine renders any viewpoint utterly devoid of value.
Well my library has all the works of the so-called "Church Fathers" and they contradict, expose and well show they were imperfect men trying to get their ideas across and to be believed, regardless of clear scripture. OH they caved to the Secular rulers whenever it best served their position and lowered those who disagreed with them. That is from the end of the 1st century onward.
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