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Old 12-31-2015, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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...grace ... doesn't require love ...
Or faith... Or anything else.
Grace is unmerited favor.
That's all it is.
This is what I was going to post.

And when it befalls you ...you know it.
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Old 12-31-2015, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I see Grace as getting to learn from your mistakes without the hammer of the LAW coming down every time you screw up...
In other words, Law is no longer the standard by which we are judged.
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Old 12-31-2015, 03:06 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Does obedience to the law of God save us or not?
absolutely not.

Jesus revealed:
When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.

Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
As God revealed:
Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham.

Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”

So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”


Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”
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Old 12-31-2015, 03:14 PM
 
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Jesus gave a gospel of GRACE to the Apostle Paul and he has the ministry to the Gentiles (and Jews) today. We will all be judged by our adherence to THE gospel revealed by revelation from Christ............read what it says and notice even more what it doesn't say..............

1Co 15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
1Co 15:2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,

So God in His wisdom has summed up in 4 verses what He says our core belief should be.......we must know we are sinners and without hope in our own resources.......that He was here physically and died on that cross and was buried, and on the third day He rose again to new life so that HE COULD GIVE US THAT SAME ETERNAL LIFE.

So notice what it doesn't say.......NO law-no baptizing-no speaking in tongues-no tithing-no works required

Truly believe that and God will instantly change you on the inside......a new creation with a simple mission, tell everybody you can about a loving God with a free gift for those who accept it. Jesus will accept YOU right where you're at today.......in whatever condition you're in, He will come in and save you forever........and what a life it will be!
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Old 12-31-2015, 03:16 PM
 
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Rom 2:16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
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Old 12-31-2015, 03:25 PM
 
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People can be saved by repentance to Jesus and receiving the born again experience , but God has a more complete plan which He has the baptism of the Holy Spirit , where all the gifts of the Holy Spirit are and were the power of God to keep the devil out and gone day to day so Jesus callings can develop ....... The grace of God comes by the judgment of the cross of Christ , as repentance is needed as you need answered pray , hence the grace of God is needed and Holy Spirit will not answer prayer by the rules of God or the law , but by faith and expectation into Jesus promises
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Old 12-31-2015, 04:26 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Jesus gave a gospel of GRACE to the Apostle Paul and he has the ministry to the Gentiles (and Jews) today. We will all be judged by our adherence to THE gospel revealed by revelation from Christ............read what it says and notice even more what it doesn't say..............

1Co 15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
1Co 15:2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,

So God in His wisdom has summed up in 4 verses what He says our core belief should be.......we must know we are sinners and without hope in our own resources.......that He was here physically and died on that cross and was buried, and on the third day He rose again to new life so that HE COULD GIVE US THAT SAME ETERNAL LIFE.

So notice what it doesn't say.......NO law-no baptizing-no speaking in tongues-no tithing-no works required

Truly believe that and God will instantly change you on the inside......a new creation with a simple mission, tell everybody you can about a loving God with a free gift for those who accept it. Jesus will accept YOU right where you're at today.......in whatever condition you're in, He will come in and save you forever........and what a life it will be!
Only that God said:
"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
and that baptism .. "It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,"
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Old 01-01-2016, 12:59 AM
 
Location: US
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Rom 2:16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
Whose Gospel?...Paul's?...
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Old 01-01-2016, 01:01 AM
 
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Only that God said:
"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
and that baptism .. "It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,"
G-d didn't say that...
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Old 01-01-2016, 02:45 AM
 
Location: Colville, WA
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Thank you everyone. That is very helpful.

This year my goal is to put my trust in Jesus.
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