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Old 02-14-2016, 12:12 PM
 
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God is able to forgive our sins on the basis of the cross. Sin is an offense against the perfect righteousness of God and therefore involves a penalty which sinful man cannot pay. For that reason God the Father commissioned the Second Person of the Trinity to come into the human race, and as a perfect sinless man, to go to the cross and pay the penalty for the sins of the entire human race. Jesus died for everyone. That's unlimited atonement.

God can forgive sin because sin and its penalty was dealt with at the cross.
Romans 8:3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,

1 Peter 2:4 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.
While sin was judicially taken care of at the cross and is not the issue in salvation, the issue is whether a person places his trust in Jesus for eternal life, sin in the life of the believer does put the believer out of fellowship with God and needs to be dealt with. It is dealt with simply by acknowledging the sin to God as per 1 John 1:9.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
When the believer simply names or acknowledges his sin to God he agrees with God that he has sinned. And based on the fact that that sin was judged at the cross, God instantly forgives the sin.
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! The blood of Christ is the vehicle by which God can forgive.

Heb. 9:22

22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
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Old 02-14-2016, 12:23 PM
 
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Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! The blood of Christ is the vehicle by which God can forgive.

Heb. 9:22

22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
The Old Sacrificial system called the Law of Man.
Who need a "whipping" boy to cover their sin.
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Old 02-14-2016, 12:25 PM
 
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There is no love without forgiveness, and no forgiveness without love.
For what power has love; but that of forgiveness.
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Old 02-14-2016, 12:32 PM
 
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Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! The blood of Christ is the vehicle by which God can forgive.

Heb. 9:22

22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
And what a tragedy it is that so many refuse to believe the fact that Jesus bore our sins and paid the penalty for them which is so clearly stated in the Scriptures.
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Old 02-14-2016, 12:35 PM
 
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Will You Lay Down Your Life, or do you need a Substitution to justify yourself?
In other words, you cannot lay down the life of another, and call it your own.


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Old 02-14-2016, 12:41 PM
 
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Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! The blood of Christ is the vehicle by which God can forgive.

Heb. 9:22

22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
However, G-d states that He abhors human sacrifice and that no one can die for the sins of another but that each one shall die for one's own sins...
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Old 02-14-2016, 01:01 PM
 
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Jesus said only Jesus and Father God can forgive sin , Christians can ask for the forgiveness of sins for other people and even lost to God people and Jesus will forgive the sins temporary by His authority ........Christians need to repent and ask for forgiveness and Jesus said He will forgive the sin , then we need to receive the forgiveness by the spirit of God , so we have to be open to God`s spirit or there will not be any forgiveness ......... other ways is to have deliverance of spirit which will remove to demonic spirit which helps people to continue to sin , and then the fallen angels who hold curses of sin must be loosed and binded up and caste down will break the curses , which is all of the redemption of Christ , which only come by the judgment of the blood of Jesus , which Jesus releases for his Grace of God..............Then however Jesus who is father God is the one who died by people who were of the sin of envy and God plan was to judge all by siding with Jesus who was innocent who was killed by men who sided with the devil , so the judgment of the cross is who side are you on God`s or the devil who killed Jesus
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Old 02-14-2016, 01:06 PM
 
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However, G-d states that He abhors human sacrifice and that no one can die for the sins of another but that each one shall die for one's own sins...
There are reasons why the sacrifice of Christ on the cross does not violate the prohibition against human sacrifice. First, Jesus wasn’t merely human. If He were, then His sacrifice would have also been a temporary one because one human life couldn’t possibly cover the sins of the multitudes who ever existed. Neither could one finite human life atone for sin against an infinite God. The only viable sacrifice must be an infinite one, which means only God Himself could atone for the sins of mankind. Only God Himself, an infinite Being, could pay the penalty owed to Himself. This is why God had to become a Man and dwell among men (John 1:14). No other sacrifice would suffice.

Second, Jesus laid down His life willingly, as He made clear speaking about His life: “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again” (John 10:18). God the Son sacrificed Himself to God the Father and thereby fulfilled all the requirements of the Law. Unlike the temporary sacrifices, Jesus’ once-for-all-time sacrifice was followed by His resurrection. He laid down His life and took it up again, thereby providing eternal life for all who would ever believe in Him and accept His sacrifice for their sins. He did this out of love for the Father and for all those the Father has given Him (John 6:37–40).
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Old 02-14-2016, 01:30 PM
 
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There are reasons why the sacrifice of Christ on the cross does not violate the prohibition against human sacrifice. First, Jesus wasn’t merely human. If He were, then His sacrifice would have also been a temporary one because one human life couldn’t possibly cover the sins of the multitudes who ever existed. Neither could one finite human life atone for sin against an infinite God. The only viable sacrifice must be an infinite one, which means only God Himself could atone for the sins of mankind. Only God Himself, an infinite Being, could pay the penalty owed to Himself. This is why God had to become a Man and dwell among men (John 1:14). No other sacrifice would suffice.

Second, Jesus laid down His life willingly, as He made clear speaking about His life: “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again” (John 10:18). God the Son sacrificed Himself to God the Father and thereby fulfilled all the requirements of the Law. Unlike the temporary sacrifices, Jesus’ once-for-all-time sacrifice was followed by His resurrection. He laid down His life and took it up again, thereby providing eternal life for all who would ever believe in Him and accept His sacrifice for their sins. He did this out of love for the Father and for all those the Father has given Him (John 6:37–40).
In other words, it was merely an outward appearance, knowing that he could pick his life up, again?
Personally, I believe he was letting people know that they were to fear nothing, not even death itself.

Do not fear that you will fall into the hands of a wrathful God.
Who from the standpoint of loving you, has also forgiven you.



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Old 02-14-2016, 01:57 PM
 
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Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
There is plenty wrong within his theology.
Have you ever heard of the Gong Show?
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