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Whether or not you agree that the question was pertinent to the person Mystic was speaking to in 2016 when he posted it, MY question was can you see that Mystic asking such a question was not the equivalent of telling someone they were not a "true Christian"?
Also, someone believing that homosexuality is a sin is really only pertinent to them, personally. That belief isn't something they need to foist onto someone who isn't asking their opinion. And, even if someone were to ask their opinion about it, I would hope they would assure the person that everyone is perfectly capable of hearing God for themselves, and doesn't really need to be asking anyone else's opinion.
He/she spelled it out for us with his comment there. His/her non-answer was an answer.
The second part of your post...it's an entirely different subject that I don't have the time to get into.
He/she spelled it out for us with his comment there. His/her non-answer was an answer.
Oh, Kav... you must have forgotten the answer he did give:
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Ah ha!
SO...if a person believes that homosexuality is wrong or goes against God's will, do you in fact actually believe they are not "true" Christians?
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Of course not. I believe anyone who claims to follow Jesus is a Christian and so does this forum. What I am questioning is why anyone is counting sins against anyone else since God is NOT!!!
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The second part of your post...it's an entirely different subject that I don't have the time to get into.
You said, "The question at hand is: go on right ahead and keep committing sin" So, my response to that was not a different subject at all; but you are not required to continue the discussion, of course.
Oh, Kav... you must have forgotten the answer he did give:
You said, "The question at hand is: go on right ahead and keep committing sin" So, my response to that was not a different subject at all; but you are not required to continue the discussion, of course.
That "Mystic" person has made contradictory statements around this forum about how there are indeed true Christians and fake Christians. Or maybe it's just that they're so wishy washy as to confuse/equate any and all who are out there as "Christians" - (I'd be willing to bet that person believe Muslims and Christians are worshipping the same "God", am I right?)
The fact I even brought the idea up of a "true Christian" triggered them to tattle on me to the moderator. (Same moderator that said Jim Jones was a "Christian" LOL!)
Of course not. I believe anyone who claims to follow Jesus is a Christian and so does this forum. What I am questioning is why anyone is counting sins against anyone else since God is NOT!!!
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That poster had a thread I started shutdown because they were threatened by the fact I had the audacity to insinuate there might actually be true Christians.
I never said really one way or the other, but they were threatened by a harmless thread. Said all needed to know.
(Typing on phone right now I'll answer more later....]
No one was threatened by the insinuation. By trying to insinuate that there is a distinction between Christians and "True Christians" you were violating the rules of this forum and we were warning you. You completely missed the point that this FORUM does NOT allow such distinctions among Christians and the Moderators WILL shut down any threads or posts that try to make such distinctions among Christians.
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Mystic asked why Christians [he didn't call them "not true" Christians] are telling others that God is holding sins against them when that is not the case. I'm sure you must agree that that is a legitimate question for one Christian to ask another Christian?
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That's not the question. Of course Jesus Christ forgives sins. That isn't a question.
The question at hand is: go on right ahead and keep committing sin.
That is not a concern because IF you ACTUALLY follow Christ's instructions to His disciples to love God and each other every day you can NOT sin. That is why we are to repent when we don't consider the impact of our selfishness on others out of agape love.
That "Mystic" person has made contradictory statements around this forum about how there are indeed true Christians and fake Christians. Or maybe it's just that they're so wishy washy as to confuse/equate any and all who are out there as "Christians" -
(I'd be willing to bet that person believe Muslims and Christians are worshipping the same "God", am I right?)
The fact I even brought the idea up of a "true Christian" triggered them to tattle on me to the moderator. (Same moderator that said Jim Jones was a "Christian" LOL!)
So, what's your goal here, Kav? What is it you'd like to see come out of all of this?
The thing is, conservatives still stick by these verses, or at least Lev 18:22. How ever they have no problem defending their President who had an affair with a porn star and then paid her with campaign money to keep quiet about it. That is something that in the '90s would have been a major scandal and would have dominated the news. Today, people just shrug it off because at least the affair was heterosexual.
but presidents are not pastors and so will president trump go to heaven? I don't care at this moment I will only pray for him that his seed of faith takes root. But Trump has a fabulous praying vice president, either way, he is probably going to be saved/ I am not a universalist and I don't expect all men to be saved. I don't know who will repent and be saved either.
But I know what is required for them and us all to be saved..
Trump's team was a better candidate speaking for all Americans than the bloodthirsty wicked witch of the east and her communist/ socialist second man. plus having her way way way wayward husband who btw, is more wayward than Trump is or ever was ( if there is such thing as degree of sin.. which is what you believe, but NOT what GOD believes) . there is really only sin unto death and sins not unto death // because now our sacrifices are not blood of bulls but a sacrifice of faith and praise when you dont feel like it . and a sacrifice of faith even when you don't feel like it , and a sacrifice of desires even when you don't FEEL LlIKE IT>>> and always a sacrifice of faith- to your -fulnes and always when you don't feel like it..NOW salvation is by faith in Jesus top remove our sins and cleanse us from all wickedness.
at least there is only one-way ward soul in the white house now and he is just as so-called "baby christian.." thus just a seed thrown on a path or into some kinds of soil.. it has not rooted yet/// and well babies fall down go boom. no one I know has put Trump up for sainthood, and neither will they at this time. you have built another strawman and all I need is a bic to burn that strawman down. because you did not apply your own standards to the wicked witch or her husband or her communist goofy one who had been corrupting people's children with his political lies his whole life and proud of it .
. . and he doesn't need to have to be perfect to speak for real Americans and more conservative then the militant sexuals of the previous 8 years and more years just behind that were the Clintons again standing for filthy militant sexuals of all sorts .. .... and the last 200 years of American presidents proves that statement true, dang but power corrupts all and all except Jesus.
The presidents have to been able to speak for the real people of a nation. not the militant fringes only .. . trump was closer to Americans real concerns than the wicked woman of the east and she was prouder of her great sins and her militant sexuality "issues" and were husband worse and he prouder.
Personally, I voted for neither. I voted for Jesus this last election and have spent almost the last 2 years now to give it too him/ yes all that stuff about ancient foundations and Harbingers..I had always voted before . and yes I did promote Trump over the wicked one and most proud of it. sure it looked like a wasted vote.. but it wasn't wasted at all.
if he allowed me to vote only real vote would have been // for one of the Christians who were all eliminated at the start. my first choice the African American doctor, I can't recall his name now, but he was a brilliant man and humble and worthy of
real respect but he got none.. but American don't seem to like those
Good and smart guys! nope, they all like Sauls better ....... truth is one of the Christians was really my only choice. but the Lord told me not to vote this time, but fast 40 days first then to drive the land and anoint it, and give it to him.. so that is what I did ! now I just wait for Jesus to take it.
no one is putting Trump up for sainthood .. just maybe sainter than she or her hubby was! what a pair!
I still remember my daughter at about 12 hearing that h Clintons husband had his secret services coming in the back door//// she had heard enough his previous sins. to what in his case that might mean.. she was so upset that we had such a president! "MOM he has secret services even in daylight. were coming in the back door!!! he just molested a young woman in his office. and now!! look !!"
so I had to explain to her what the secret service was ! but isn't it a shame that a child has to think such things first about our leaders? I think it is more than a shame! and I think it is proof America is in the sewer and the stink has stopped burning their noses!
No one was threatened by the insinuation. By trying to insinuate that there is a distinction between Christians and "True Christians" you were violating the rules of this forum and we were warning you. You completely missed the point that this FORUM does NOT allow such distinctions among Christians and the Moderators WILL shut down any threads or posts that try to make such distinctions among Christians.
That is not a concern because IF you ACTUALLY follow Christ's instructions to His disciples to love God and each other every day you can NOT sin. That is why we are to repent when we don't consider the impact of our selfishness on others out of agape love.
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Originally Posted by Kavalier
That "Mystic" person has made contradictory statements around this forum about how there are indeed true Christians and fake Christians. Or maybe it's just that they're so wishy-washy as to confuse/equate any and all who are out there as "Christians" - (I'd be willing to bet that person believe Muslims and Christians are worshipping the same "God", am I right?)
The fact I even brought the idea up of a "true Christian" triggered them to tattle on me to the moderator. (Same moderator that said Jim Jones was a "Christian" LOL!)
Since you know that this FORUM does not allow you to make distinctions between Christians and "True Christians" why are you here trying to do just that???
That poster had a thread I started shutdown because they were threatened by the fact I had the audacity to insinuate there might actually be true Christians.
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