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Old 06-30-2016, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I really don't have time to delve into these, so what specifically were the tools you found from these?
I can't chart your course, that's between you and the Spirit when you open to it. (if) How do YOU find yourself caring about what happens to other people?
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Old 07-01-2016, 05:55 AM
 
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I can't chart your course, that's between you and the Spirit when you open to it. (if) How do YOU find yourself caring about what happens to other people?
Personally, its not that difficult, not something I need tools to achieve, especially some divine guidance. I suppose I care for others because I would not want the same bad things to happen to me, understanding the possible pain and suffering they might endure. I don't want anyone to endure pain and suffering unless they've intentionally caused pain and suffering on others. IMO, its not a course to chart, but something inherent in all of us from centuries of evolutionary morality.

Now, can you explain the tools that you use for this course that you have charted and how/why it requires faith in the supernatural?
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Old 07-01-2016, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Personally, its not that difficult, not something I need tools to achieve, especially some divine guidance. I suppose I care for others because I would not want the same bad things to happen to me, understanding the possible pain and suffering they might endure. I don't want anyone to endure pain and suffering unless they've intentionally caused pain and suffering on others. IMO, its not a course to chart, but something inherent in all of us from centuries of evolutionary morality.

Now, can you explain the tools that you use for this course that you have charted and how/why it requires faith in the supernatural?
I didn't say that it requires faith in the supernatural, you are just pushing your narrative again. My answer didn't fit into what your narrative had planned for, so you are just scrambling to fit it in.
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Old 07-01-2016, 10:28 AM
 
Location: New England
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I really don't have time to delve into these, so what specifically were the tools you found from these?
Have you ever sought God with an open heart and mind ?. If you haven't there is zero chance of you seeing the reality of God even if it slapped you in your face, you would call it something else other than God. If we all took your lead of not going the extra mile to discover something, I'm pretty sure we'd all be still savages.
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Old 07-01-2016, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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My basis for belief is what God has done in my life thru Jesus Christ. Without that personal experience, it's very hard for people to open their hearts.
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Old 07-01-2016, 11:08 AM
 
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How did you ascertain that the Bible has quotes from God? Faith? Your upbringing?

Maybe because of my upbringing
God being merciful gives me faith in Him.
He began to show me how everything of His is under His control.
That of those who were evil believing to be over me
wouldn't be able to use me to their gain but for God's glory. Which they despised.
God allows me to see into situations and shows me how He wants me to respond, or not.
People become bewildered and dismayed when
things wouldn't work out for them as they desired to glory in.
Becoming leery of me they all end up leaving me alone not wanting to be snared again by their own tap.
So I understand how the testimonies of those in the bible with God are true.
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Old 07-01-2016, 03:12 PM
 
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My basis for belief is what God has done in my life thru Jesus Christ. Without that personal experience, it's very hard for people to open their hearts.
Many people claim to have personal experiences with alien abduction and conversations of Elvis. Though we might believe that these individuals believe they actually had these experiences, do you believe that these are legitimate claims?
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Old 07-01-2016, 03:15 PM
 
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Maybe because of my upbringing
God being merciful gives me faith in Him.
He began to show me how everything of His is under His control.
That of those who were evil believing to be over me
wouldn't be able to use me to their gain but for God's glory. Which they despised.
God allows me to see into situations and shows me how He wants me to respond, or not.
People become bewildered and dismayed when
things wouldn't work out for them as they desired to glory in.
Becoming leery of me they all end up leaving me alone not wanting to be snared again by their own tap.
So I understand how the testimonies of those in the bible with God are true.
Do you understand that those of other religions make the same claim? If you and a Hindu were explaining this same thing to an objective observer, how would you provide the evidence that your God is the legitimate source over Vishnu, or some other God?
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Old 07-01-2016, 03:19 PM
 
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Have you ever sought God with an open heart and mind ?. If you haven't there is zero chance of you seeing the reality of God even if it slapped you in your face, you would call it something else other than God. If we all took your lead of not going the extra mile to discover something, I'm pretty sure we'd all be still savages.
Yes. I was a "born again" Christian for nearly 20 years, so I have "sought God" with a fervor. After so long, when one finally questions one's faith, one will accept any grain of evidence to justify the years invested in one's belief. I believe I went much more than the extra mile, so I believe my lead is reasonable.
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Old 07-01-2016, 03:20 PM
 
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I didn't say that it requires faith in the supernatural, you are just pushing your narrative again. My answer didn't fit into what your narrative had planned for, so you are just scrambling to fit it in.
So, you believe God is a natural being, subject to all of the laws of physics that other natural beings are subject to?
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