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Old 08-11-2016, 07:29 PM
 
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You are a Jesus follower, who believes like a Jew. Interesting...
Jesus was Hebrew. I love him because he transcended the status quo especially when it came to women, and the poor.

He treated women as equals and with respect. He loved them without condition or condemnation.

That is what I believe. Label it as you wish. I look at things from the eyes of Jesus at the time he lived. He was an extrordinary human being. What's not to love?
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Old 08-11-2016, 07:30 PM
 
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"You shall call His name Immanuel", meaning God with us.
He was never called by that name...
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Old 08-11-2016, 07:33 PM
 
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He was never called by that name...
Correct, it just meant God was with His people in action, not in person.

The first Immanuel was an Israelite and not God and he is the one initially prophesied about.
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Old 08-11-2016, 07:36 PM
 
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Isaiah 53:

10 And the Lord wished to crush him, He made him ill; if his soul makes itself restitution, he shall see children, he shall prolong his days, and God's purpose shall prosper in his hand.


How does the above apply to the Mashiach let alone Jesus?...
His children are of a spiritual wife as he has a bride. They are the believers who turn to him and he replaces Adam as their father, thus becoming an everlasting Father to them.
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Jesus was Hebrew. I love him because he transcended the status quo especially when it came to women, and the poor.

He treated women as equals and with respect. He loved them without condition or condemnation.

That is what I believe. Label it as you wish. I look at things from the eyes of Jesus at the time he lived. He was an extrordinary human being. What's not to love?
Fair enough.

Jesus is God. I love Him because He first loved me, and gave His life to save me from my sins, and not only me, but all who believe. I desire to love God and others, as He did.
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:12 PM
 
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Joseph was not His Father.
He admitted to being a "son" of the Pharisees by using the title "son of god". Do you still deny what the Bible states very explicitly?

It's obvious that the "Father" represents any person or belief system which influences or more specifically, controls a person. Such as "your father, the devil" which he also said when addressing the Pharisees. The "father" Jesus referenced might not have been a literal person, but more of a new philosophy he was embracing by rejecting the Pharisees.
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:19 PM
 
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Fair enough.

Jesus is God. I love Him because He first loved me, and gave His life to save me from my sins, and not only me, but all who believe. I desire to love God and others, as He did.
Jesus is not God. God is God and Jesus is Jesus. The apostles may have mistakenly thought he was the Messiah given the intense Messianic energy of the time, but they never believed he was God. Hebrews did not think God was part of a trinity. Since the apostles were Hebrew, they would never believe Jesus was God. Messiah, yes. God, no.

He was awesome, though. I wonder what he looked like. How he walked. How he carried himself. His favorite foods, and games. I wonder about his childhood and the things he saw and experienced that shaped his thinking. I wonder about the women who shaped his mind and loved him. I wonder how his brothers and sisters treated him, and spoke to him. I wonder who taught him to dance, and approach a girl. He is the sum of all those experiences.
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:27 PM
 
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He admitted to being a "son" of the Pharisees by using the title "son of god". Do you still deny what the Bible states very explicitly?

It's obvious that the "Father" represents any person or belief system which influences or more specifically, controls a person. Such as "your father, the devil" which he also said when addressing the Pharisees. The "father" Jesus referenced might not have been a literal person, but more of a new philosophy he was embracing by rejecting the Pharisees.
The Father Jesus spoke of was/is Jehovah, Yahweh, the Great I AM, our Creator.
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:33 PM
 
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Jesus is not God. God is God and Jesus is Jesus. The apostles may have mistakenly thought he was the Messiah given the intense Messianic energy of the time, but they never believed he was God. Hebrews did not think God was part of a trinity. Since the apostles were Hebrew, they would never believe Jesus was God. Messiah, yes. God, no.

He was awesome, though. I wonder what he looked like. How he walked. How he carried himself. His favorite foods, and games. I wonder about his childhood and the things he saw and experienced that shaped his thinking. I wonder about the women who shaped his mind and loved him. I wonder how his brothers and sisters treated him, and spoke to him. I wonder who taught him to dance, and approach a girl. He is the sum of all those experiences.
Matthew 16:16

Simon Peter answered and said, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

John 20:28

28 “My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:44 PM
 
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Matthew 16:16

Simon Peter answered and said, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

John 20:28

28 “My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.
The son of God is not God. There is Jesus who Peter called the son. And there is God. Different entities. Peter was a Jew. Jesus was not divine.

My Lord, and my God. Two different things. Context and tone is everything.

Thomas exclaimed. My Lord. He touched the wounds and said. My God. More in the vein of Holy Cow!
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