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Old 03-24-2017, 02:57 PM
 
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But Bible also tells you that anything that comes from Power, as in government, king, etc, is coming from god and one should obey as if obeying god itself. As any power is from god.
Hence, if a Power in any form, says "thy shalt be executed" Bible followers should only say yey, praise the lord.
Does that include Hitler and Saddam Hussein?
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Old 03-24-2017, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Does that include Hitler and Saddam Hussein?
OT scripture should give you that answer.
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Old 03-25-2017, 06:52 AM
 
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Do the 10 commandments make death penalty a sin?
Killing is not murder.

The death penalty is the punishment for murder.

God instituted teh death penalty for murder, Gen 9:6
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Old 03-25-2017, 06:56 AM
 
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Jimmiej


If after the death penalty is executed and evidence comes out that the prison was not guilty (rare but it has happened) would it then have become a sin or just a miscarriage of justice? Curious about your view rather than judging about it.
Why would it be anything other than a miscarriage of justice?
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Old 03-25-2017, 06:58 AM
 
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It is nothing more than PUNISHMENT.

Taking another's life does nothing to restore the loss of the life taken.
That is not the purpose of punishment. Sure punishment hopes to deter others from committing the crime.
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Old 03-25-2017, 07:48 AM
 
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Jimmiej

If after the death penalty is executed and evidence comes out that the prison was not guilty (rare but it has happened) would it then have become a sin or just a miscarriage of justice? Curious about your view rather than judging about it.
Supposing they were passed guilty, then last minute evidence cleared them, but somehow the guards didn't get the memo, it's a sin.

But the Ten Commandments are not an iron law where people are beheaded if they commit adultery. The law is actually to remind us that the world we live in has such a thing as grace. That none of these laws really mean anything in the world as it truly is. The Jews failed to understand this, and so their 10 commandments became 612.

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1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”
  1. Human beings in a Unity consciousness are not separated from God. This only means that you should understand this.
  2. The physical world is an illusion. Objects don't matter. Thinking they do is the sin.
  3. If #1 is true, God honestly doesn't care what you say, unless you care.
  4. Basically, just give yourself a rest. Not a big deal.
  5. Your father and mother are basically just you. They have divided aspects that make up your consciousness. Honoring your father and mother is a reminder of where you came from.
  6. The reason this law is significant is that murder is basically killing off an aspect of the self. "Love your neighbor as yourself" because your neighbor is yourself. This is why suicide is seen as equally bad to murder. But honestly, murder is a forgivable sin, it is simply a hard one to forgive.
  7. You, God, and other people, are all one person. The sin of this, is not understanding this, and loving another but hating yourself, loving another but not God (or vice versa), or loving one person while going behind the back of another.
  8. Everything we have in this world is temporary. When we receive something we did not earn (mooch), we steal. But grace reminds us, that all of us are thieves.
  9. This was phrased not as lie, but as bear false witness against another. The Middle East made the distinction between lying to defend one's life, and lying to deceive another or in this sense, to make a false claim against another. It is important to remember that as human beings, there is only one truth, and that is God.
  10. In Unity consciousness, it is important to remember such distinctions do not exist. This is not to say communism is right, and your property belongs to another. But rather, another life, and you may be your neighbor, another and his wife, another and his male/female servant. And these objects are just symbols, nothing to covet.

Because of grace, we understand that this things, while we have done them, God doesn't necessarily see them are the horrible sins we see. This is why there are only 10 of these rules.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:25 AM
 
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But Bible also tells you that anything that comes from Power, as in government, king, etc, is coming from god and one should obey as if obeying god itself. As any power is from god.
Hence, if a Power in any form, says "thy shalt be executed" Bible followers should only say yey, praise the lord.
The law tells you to stop believing in Jesus and definitely stop preaching it...
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:15 AM
 
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I don't see any such stipulations in the OP.

Here are three that anyone who claims to be familiar with the Bible ought to know offhand.

Evidence:
One witness is not enough to convict anyone accused of any crime or offense they may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. -- Deuteronomy 19


Perjury:
If a malicious witness rises up against a man to accuse him of wrongdoing, then both the men who have the dispute shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges who will be in office in those days. "The judges shall investigate thoroughly, and if the witness is a false witness and he has accused his brother falsely, then you shall do to him just as he had intended to do to his brother. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you. -- Deuteronomy 19


Equality Under the Law:
You shall do no injustice in court. You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor. -- Leviticus 19


If a particular government's laws do not adhere at least to these Old Testament provisions for justice (and there are others), it can't appeal to the Old Testament to validate its penalties and claim "justice."
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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But Bible also tells you that anything that comes from Power, as in government, king, etc, is coming from god and one should obey as if obeying god itself. As any power is from god.
Hence, if a Power in any form, says "thy shalt be executed" Bible followers should only say yey, praise the lord.
The Bible does not say all that.


Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.


This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. -- Romans 13


First, "matters of conscience" for Christians will necessarily harken to what Paul had just said in Romans 12:


Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.


Second, all Paul is talking about here are three specific things: Paying taxes, showing basic social deference to their officials, obeying their basic laws. This is instruction not to resort to anarchy or rebellion, as befits ambassadors, not an instruction to ignore the fact that Christians are citizens of Heaven and bound by the commands of Christ.


Interestingly--and very much to the point--when I was active duty military stationed overseas, we were under the same rules: Obey their laws, pay their taxes (if living off base), honor their officials. Yet, we were certainly aware that these three things did not mean we were citizens of that country.


Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from sinful desires, which wage war against your soul. Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us. Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. -- 1 Peter 2


1 Peter very strongly and explicitly identifies Christians as being citizens of Heaven and only "pilgrims and sojourners" who have been "dispersed" to various nations on earth. All of 1 Peter is about how the citizens of Heaven are supposed to relate to the "natives" of the nations we are assigned to. As such, we operate as all foreign ambassadors do: Obey their laws, pay their taxes, honor their officials.
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Old 03-27-2017, 01:32 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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The law tells you to stop believing in Jesus and definitely stop preaching it...
in the words of the adamant universalist:
Belief in Christ is a requirement in most forms of it ... and it will happen at some point in eternity for everyone..
get over it ... cry uncle now.
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