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Old 05-07-2017, 11:11 AM
 
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what in the world??
If you consider yourself a tourist, then that means that you originally came from some place else, otherwise, tourist doesn't fit the description...


There is a legend that I've heard of that all souls come from the Guf in heaven, so, in that sense, you would be a tourist here and when you pass on you return to whence you came...

Ah, found it:

Tree of Souls

According to Jewish mythology, in the Garden of Eden there is a Tree of life or the "Tree of Souls: that blossoms and produces new souls, which fall into the Guf, the "Treasury of Souls". Gabriel reaches into the treasury and takes out the first soul that comes into his hand. Then Lailah, the Angel of Conception, watches over the embryo until it is born.

According to Rabbi Isaac Luria, the trees are resting places for souls and sparrows can see the soul's descent, explaining their joyous chirping. The Tree of Souls produces all the souls that have ever existed, or will ever exist. When the last soul descends, the world will come to an end. According to the Talmud, Yevamot 62a, is that the Messiah will not come until the Guf is emptied of all its souls. In keeping with other Jewish legends that envision souls as bird-like, the Guf is sometimes described as a columbarium, or birdhouse. The mystic significance of the Guf is that each person is important and has a unique role which only he or she, with his or her unique soul, can fulfill. Even a newborn baby brings the Messiah closer simply by being born.

The peculiar idiom of describing the treasury of souls as a "body" may be connected to the mythic tradition of Adam Kadmon, the primordial man. Adam Kadmon, God's "original intention" for humanity, was a supernal being, androgynous and macro-cosmic (co-equal in size with the universe). When this Adam sinned, humanity was demoted to the flesh and blood, bifurcated and mortal creatures we are now. According to Kabbalah, every human soul is just a fragment (or fragments) cycling out of the great "world-soul" of Adam Kadmon. Hence, every human soul comes from the guf [of Adam Kadmon]. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guf
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:42 AM
 
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If you consider yourself a tourist, then that means that you originally came from some place else, otherwise, tourist doesn't fit the description...
Apostle Paul is the one who made that statement. We are vega-bonds here on earth, or it is translated also as traveler.

Paul stated this is not our home. Our original self died with christ, and we were risen up with him when we became a new creation. A new birth occured.
This new creation is here on earth, though we as this new creation, are holy and pure in the Fathers eyes, just like Christ.
All due to Christs sacrifice, his righteousness is imputed into us allowing us to be molded to be just like him.
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:56 AM
 
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Apostle Paul is the one who made that statement. We are vega-bonds here on earth, or it is translated also as traveler.

Paul stated this is not our home. Our original self died with christ, and we were risen up with him when we became a new creation. A new birth occured.
This new creation is here on earth, though we as this new creation, are holy and pure in the Fathers eyes, just like Christ.
All due to Christs sacrifice, his righteousness is imputed into us allowing us to be molded to be just like him.
Are you really holy and pure in His eyes?...Or does He expect you to abide by His Torah?...G-d has said that no one can be held responsible for another's sin, that each shall be responsible for one's own sin...G-d has also said that He abhors human sacrifice, so how could He accept a human sacrifice for the sins of others?...
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:30 PM
 
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Are you really holy and pure in His eyes?...Or does He expect you to abide by His Torah?...G-d has said that no one can be held responsible for another's sin, that each shall be responsible for one's own sin...G-d has also said that He abhors human sacrifice, so how could He accept a human sacrifice for the sins of others?...
You know the great commandment love your neighbor as yourself...... Do you love yourself ?.
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:30 PM
 
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Are you really holy and pure in His eyes?...Or does He expect you to abide by His Torah?...G-d has said that no one can be held responsible for another's sin, that each shall be responsible for one's own sin...G-d has also said that He abhors human sacrifice, so how could He accept a human sacrifice for the sins of others?...
Yes each is responsible for his own sin. But that doesn't mean they are damned to hell over their sins. Sinners are judged by their sins, they are mastered by them. That is all they know is sin. That is all they can discuss really since it is their entire life. We all sin But there are SINNERS and then their are SAINTS. SAINTS or Christians, aka Disciples of Christ belong to the Father. They are aware of their sinful flesh. They call upon him, who follow him. Otherwise you have a different father named SATAN. Satan is a created being, a fallen angel who rebelled against GOD in heaven and converted many other angels to rebell also. They are called Demons or evll spirits

The word Sinner, in the bible, is ALWAYS referring to the unsaved. God could only accept a flawless human sacrifice, a spotless lamb of God, in our place. Born of a Virgin. So any created being couldn't do to be our sacrifice. Jesus paid the Ransom, only he could. Paid the debt for our sins.
Remember the old testament sacrifices where they were killing various animals to atone for their sins? Sure it may have attoned so that particular sin wasn't held against them but they were damned anyways because all they can do is sin. Hell may be less hot for them for each time they sacrificed an animal but their destination to hell remained. At least if they were unbelievers that is.

We are risen with Christ the moment we accepted him as LORD and Savior. A completely new birth as a baby. To re-learn the life and living as a Christian just as a baby needs to re-learn everything.

Again, Jesus was NEVER created by God, like everything else was. He has always lived with the FATHER. They are one GODHEAD along with the Holy Spirit which is the driving force.

The human sacrifice on the cross for those who are his was a part of GOD himself. Part of the Godhead. He was human in flesh but he was God at the same time. They are seperate beings yet all one nature.

Abraham was BEFORE Jesus arrived on earth to be sacrificed on the cross. He was justified BY FAITH in GOD. Jesus was prophesized prior to his coming. So at Abrahams death, he was not considered risen with CHRIST yet because CHRIST had not died. But he was not destined to hell as his faith in GOD was counted upon him as righteousness


Colossians 2:9-10 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

Romans 4 NKJV
Abraham Justified by Faith
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?[a] 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[b] 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”[c]

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Old 05-07-2017, 12:33 PM
 
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You know the great commandment love your neighbor as yourself...... Do you love yourself ?.
Baby!...I not only love myself, I am IN love with myself...
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:35 PM
 
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You know the great commandment love your neighbor as yourself...... Do you love yourself ?.

Seriously, though. I do not hate anyone...
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:35 PM
 
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Baby!...I not only love myself, I am IN love with myself...
I like it
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:43 PM
 
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Seriously, though. I do not hate anyone...
Correct, we are not to hate others with regards to the worlds definition

The truthful definitions, the biblical definitions is not the same as what the world has defined as hate.
http://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-dictionary/hate.html


PSALM 97:10
10 O you who love the Lord, hate evil!
He rpreserves the lives of his ssaints;
he tdelivers them from the hand of the wicked.

Ecc 3:8
8 a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:48 PM
 
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Baby!...I not only love myself, I am IN love with myself...
Mark 12:30-31 New King James Version


30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.
’[a] This is the first commandment.[b] 31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
[c] There is no other commandment greater than these.”
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