Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
this is a popular perspective, that i think puts a bad frame on things as well. Grace is not opposed to Law, is it?
You are two dude.
The New Testament is always explaining what you are but people don't always snap to what is being said.
We saw Jacob standing in the skins of his brother Esau because Esau represents the flesh, and Jacob represents the inner hidden man that is always being discussed.
YOUR FLESH, THIS FIRST LIFE, it has a mind of it's own doesn't it?
When you are about to do a bad thing, Your right eye has seen in the flesh what it wants and your right hand will reach out to take it, but while you are reaching, your left eye is supposed to be a guiding spirit and so you are telling yourself,'' Don't do that thing.''
We are double minded, and while these two kingdoms are at war, ONLY WE stand in the middle, because one mind says,'' Take what you want,'' and the other says,'' You know that is wrong,'' but there you are in the middle as a priest between God and man, and whatever you have done, you have done in the water, in the blood and in the spirit.
You are born of flesh as a seed of Ishmael, but there is also a hidden man of the heart who is of the promised seed of faith.
You have this first life as the first born son, and you have your next life of the second born son of faith.
YOU HAVE TWO COVENANTS, TWO LAWS.
To the first born son, there is the law of flesh and the law will judge EVERY SINGLE PERSON.
But if you are also the son of the promise, as the seed of Isaac, there is also a law of grace to the hidden man of the heart.
One covenant and law for flesh
One covenant and law for spirit.
Salvation is EXTREEMLY BROAD, Jesus says that you can EVEN speak against Him, and YOU CAN EVEN choose to not keep the laws of Moses, AND EVEN teach people not to keep the laws of Moses and STILL BE SAVED.
Salvation is NOT the issue, whether or not Christ is finally formed in you after years of study is the issue.
Paul said they were STILL his babies and that Christ had not even been formed in them yet BECAUSE, they were to study the law and the prophets ALL DAY, and ALL NIGHT BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT BE BORN AGAIN UNTIL THEY DID.
PAUL KEPT TELLING THEM IT WAS A RACE AND THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE HIM, THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO STUDY ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT.
The issue is not whether or not all these Christians will be saved, I am very sure of their salvation, the issue is whether or not Christ is formed inside you as a new born creature of God BECAUSE you have raised that child in the milk of the word UNTIL you began walking in ALL THE FEASTS OF JESUS where the MEAT IS.
The 7 visitation days of Jesus is FOR YOU WHEN HE IS APPOINTED TO VISIT YOU 7 TIMES.
It isn't about keeping a feast, it is about walking in the feasts and you have to begin to die daily, and this is EVERY DAY as dying in the barley harvest of Passover, and BECAUSE you die daily for so long while you are studying to come to the great wheat harvest, the rain of the word of God begins falling softly on your head teaching you as you die daily and BECAUSE you die daily for so long, YOU HAVE BECOME THE SOWER, AND NOW YOU ARE MOVING TO THE WHEAT HARVEST WHERE YOU BECOME A NEW CREATURE AND THAT NEW BORN CREATURE IS SEPERATED TO GOD, AND CAUGHT UP TO GOD UNTIL YOU HAVE FINISHED YOUR LIFE IN THE CONTINUEING WALK THAT MOVES FROM THE BARLEY, THROUGH THE WHEAT, AND THEN YOU ARE TRYING TO OBTAIN THE SEED FOR THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES/THE OIL AND THE WINE.
You are given the smallest of seeds and you have to really pray for the rain to come teaching and so that seed will die and bear fruit.
90 percent of Christian are saved in the barley and there is another 8 percent of people who have began to walk in the wheat harvest to become wheat.
And then there is the 2 percent who have become the oil and the wine in the great feast of lights, the feast of Nations, the last and concluding feast of the entire cycle, the feast of Tabernacles.
You obtain the smallest mustard seed as medicine, and through study and prayer for the rain of Tabernacles, the seed is given rain and it dies, but when it dies, it becomes the greatest, biggest tree amongst the million blades of grass in the kings fields.
This smallest of SEEDS being the last seed that is given, it has become such a great shelter from the sun, all the creatures around it come and build their nests within his branches and his words are sustenance to all the creatures who find shade under his canopy and with every layer and foot of this great tree of the feast of Tabernacles is ABUNDANT life with all sorts of life.
This trees of the feast of Tabernacles are brought into the Temple by a great procession of priest as a great multitude are following the priests waving their branches of medicine into the Temple, and the multitude are so great and so many people waving branches as they come into the court that one would SWEAR that a great windstorm has come violently into the Temple complex.
Another great procession of priests lead another multitude of people who have gone to the great and holy water ceremony where we draw from the living wells of salvation with crying and tears of joy as we shout to the Lord.
Yet another great procession of priest with another great multitude of people have brought the wine shouting in joy with great traditions of sheer happiness.
There are two cups built into the alter where the water and the wine is poured into, and both these cups have holes at the bottom where the wine and water spill out onto the sacrifice and then down to the earth itself while people shout in joy with crying and great tears of Joy saying,'' Save Now.''
All the medicine has been brought and the healing is coming.
The congregation has circled the alter 7 times as a women who circles her bridegroom and in a tradition of the walls of Jericho falling down, they SHOUT for JOY IN FAITH screaming,'' Save now, Save Now LORD!''
Blessed are the trees of Tabernacles as they are carried on the shoulders of the congregation and brought into the temple.
Blessed is the water and the wine, the two witnesses of God who spilled out of Jesus as a witness to the whole world that a consummation had just taken place, and the veil of a virgin was ripped from top to bottom.
A bride was created from the body of Jesus, and these are the water and the blood as two legal witnesses to a legal consummation where the friend of the bridegroom would go in to get the sheet of confirmation with the blood and water TESTIFYING of said, consummation.
Jesus was planted as a seed in the earth, just as a seed has to die in order to bear fruit, and although MILLIONS of seed had been planted into the earth, Jesus was the only seed which became the very FIRSTFRUIT of many firstfruits to follow.
The Earth had literally become PREGNANT, and she bore the very first son of many sons to follow.
Jesus had housed the spirit of God in his own body, and he had been pregnant all his life with a child of the promise within his flesh. Jesus studied and knew the Torah and like any human, he studied and leaned the milk of the word until he understood and began eating the meat of the word.
Jesus had raised a full grown mature child of God within himself by the time he was 12, and we ALL have to raise our own child of God to a maturity because woe are those with children and weaning children.
Salvation isn't the issue, whether or not Christ is formed in you or not is the issue, whether or not you will raise a born again child on the milk of the word in order for him to eat the meat of the feasts is the issue.
God cannot raise a child in the first resurrection, God cannot put unlimited power into the hands of a child still on the milk as babies who haven't studied, it takes a very long time of study for Christ to be formed inside you and after Christ is formed as a new born child inside you, you have to study and walk in the feasts to mature child that wants to be,'' FIRSTFRUIT.''
God has created a new thing in the world, A woman MUST give birth to a full grown man, who has heard of such a thing, '' Declares Isaiah.''
If somebody is trying to raise a child on the meat of the word in the feasts, he cannot do so without the feasts. Christians in Paganism aren't so guilty because they are actually involved with paganism and the worship of other gods, the problem is that ONLY the feasts of Jesus can teach you how to walk in the feasts of Jesus, and if you are in Paganism, then Revelation speaks about you in showing the children of Jezebel, and this is who Elijah goes against BECAUSE of her paganism.
The people who raise their child in the law and the prophets raise MATURE children, but when one has rejected the instructions of the progressive 7 feasts, they simply cannot mature, and God cannot hand a child unlimited power and so THE CHILD IS KILLED, AND ALL THE CHURCHES WILL KNOW IT.
WHY WILL ALL THE CHURCHES KNOW WHEN ALL THE CHILDREN ARE KILLED?
WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN WITH A LITTLE BABY ON THE MILK OF THE WORD AND SUDDENLY, GOD KILLS YOUR BABY?
Revelation 2 ~ Speaking to pagan Christians of the churches of Jesus.
19I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Again, it is speaking of Christians who believe in Jesus but who are raising their children in pagan feasts instead of walking a progressive path in the 7 feasts of Jesus and Revelation is STRICTLY of the fall Holy days. Revelation is showing a Pagan Christian how to come back to Jesus and his 7 feasts.
Last edited by Hannibal Flavius; 07-01-2017 at 12:06 PM..
7 Surely the Lord God does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.
Saan thanks for taking us back to 750BC to a book written ONLY to Jews under the law. It's good, it's scripture, but is not for us today under grace. All OT scripture under the law is given for our LEARNING today.........but the Bible is a progressive revelation and these truths were for those golden days long gone. Truth is God keeps secrets and He does it perfectly......
Deu 29:29 "The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.
As things progressively move along and are revealed we become responsible for them.......before the law you couldn't break the law because there wasn't any, after Moses got the big ten the Jews were responsible but broke them all anyway.
God held many secrets until after the cross and He chose a very unlikely person to reveal many mysteries to.....a Pharisee who was busy murdering Christians, Saul of Tarsus. Jesus straightened him out on the road to Damascus and later personally tutored him in all things about grace. The twelve didn't know anything about grace until the last of their ministry when they were told about it by Paul. So not everything was given to the prophets......all things pertaining to Israel were, but things pertaining to our grace walk today were held in the mind of God til Paul was pressed into service for the Gentiles and any Jews who would believe the gospel of grace. He talks about it here............
Rom 16:25 Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to MY GOSPEL and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was KEPT SECRET for long ages
Rom 16:26 but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith—
Rom 16:27 to the only wise God be glory forevermore through Jesus Christ! Amen.
Keeping some of the commandments never saved anybody.......since they were designed to expose sin, not control it.....so after the cross Jesus put into play His grace and mercy to save some who would come to Him...........
this is a popular perspective, that i think puts a bad frame on things as well. Grace is not opposed to Law, is it?
Grace is opposed to law all the way, and they can never be mixed, they destroy each other. Grace is unmerited favor you CAN'T earn and is a FREE gift......the works of the law are endless and to no avail today.
Rom 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
Nate posted a scripture which answered the question in the OP. Jesus indicated that He was instituting A "New Covenant," whether it is specifically the one Jeremiah mentions Is not part of that question. I follow Jesus, not Jeremiah.
No Nate, Jesus brings a New Covenant for Ephraim and Judah, and these two people are who they are.
Anyone and every mother's son can claim to be a Jew and that is all it is, a claim.
People pretend to be Jews when we actually know who Jews are, Christianity has persecuted anyone and everyone who would follow Christ in his Passover, in his Pentecost, and in his Tabernacles.
Christianity has persecuted Judah and Ephraim for 2000 years and WE KNOW who Judah and Ephraim are BECAUSE OF THE FACT that they are the only people in history following God. They are IN FACT, the only people in the world willing to die for God and Jesus BECAUSE they refuse to reject the religion of God and his son.
Every Gentile who loved Jesus and refused to reject his appointed feasts were persecuted by people claiming to be the real Jews, but I assure you, they are not Nate.
It is so obvious who actually love God's commandments, it is so obvious who has always been persecuted for following Jesus in his Passover, who actually have a Passover.
How does one actually claim a Passover while he teaches against Passover?
No Nate, Jesus brings a New Covenant for Ephraim and Judah, and these two people are who they are.....
How does one actually claim a Passover while he teaches against Passover?
Jesus never stated that the "New Covenant" was only for special people, Hannibal. You are conflating Jeremiah and Jesus for the purpose of enforcing the forms you love on other people.
How does one actually claim the sacrifices mandated under the Mosaic covenant when he does not perform those sacrifices, Hannibal? Are those "jots and tittles" of the Law still in effect? Your answer will demonstrate how one can say that the FORM of "Passover" is not essential.
Jesus never stated that the "New Covenant" was only for special people, Hannibal. You are conflating Jeremiah and Jesus for the purpose of enforcing the forms you love on other people.
How does one actually claim the sacrifices mandated under the Mosaic covenant when he does not perform those sacrifices, Hannibal? Are those "jots and tittles" of the Law still in effect? Your answer will demonstrate how one can say that the FORM of "Passover" is not essential.
Ephesians 5:2
and walk in love, just as Christ loved us and gave Himself up for us as a fragrant sacrificial offering to God.
Philippians 4:18
I have all I need and more, now that I have received your gifts from Epaphroditus. They are a sweet smelling aroma, an acceptable sacrifice, well-pleasing to God.
1 Corinthians 9 8Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? 9For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? 10Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. 11If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
There are so many scriptures showing us that those sacrifices ONLY POINTED to US, You are the oxen Nate, you are yoked with another.
YOU are the Passover lamb and because Jesus died for you as a lamb, LIKEWISE, you ALSO DIE DAILY as the lamb So Jesus can live.
You are the ram dyed red Nate, you have a blood covering from Jesus.
YOU are the goat of Yom Kippur set loose, and the Bull of the feast of Tabernacles if you think you can control and supress the bull of your tongue.
Each and EVERY sacrifice is showing YOU, and who you and Jesus are together, that you are a temple, the body of Christ and all those sacrifices of the temple is OF YOU, the comings and goings of the temple show WHO YOU ARE, and they show where you are going with a betrothal, a wedding, a consummation and so on.
''Behold, The volume of the book, it is of YOU.''
But Jesus ONLY BRINGS a covenant for Ephraim and for Judah Nate, Gentiles were in fact adopted through the promise of Ephraim.
I can say this with no hesitation at all BECAUSE it is the truth, but let me help you with this debate Nate.
Jesus came and took two men named Ephraim and Judah and he came to make these two men, ONE MAN, and this is in fact what Jesus did when he adopted Gentiles through the promise of the ten lost tribes of Ephraim, those gentiles literally became ONE MAN with Jews.
This is the truth, ONLY JUDAH AND EPHRAIM.
How can you debate this truth Nate?
Let me show you.
BECAUSE Jesus came and took these two men to make them one man, IT MEANS, THAT YOU ARE EPHRAIM AND YOU ARE JUDAH.
Your flesh is the Gentile,'' Ephraim,'' and the hidden man of the heart is,'' Judah.''
This is why it is explained further saying that there is therefore no difference in male and female, in master and servant, in Jew or Gentile.
YOUR FLESH is Female, and within you is a male of spirit, and so now you are both. You were born a man but you have become a bride of Christ Nate.
YOUR FLESH is female that houses a male spirit.
God didn't do away with gentile and Jew, he didn't do away with male and female and this is all obvious, there is still the Jew and still the Gentile, there is STILL a Physical Israel even though there is a spiritual Israel and the spiritual does not cancel out the physical, and you can't make the spiritual true without making the physical true.
There is therefore no more difference in slave and free man because YOU ARE BOTH, You are a slave in this body of death that should become a servant to the will of Christ, but inside the flesh is a free man in Christ and so you are both.
Having said that, I am not all that certain what all this means to people that are not in Judaism, Gentiles who are not actually Ephraim, because Jesus only brings a covenant for Ephraim and Judah and Ephraim MUST come joining Judah, THEY MUST do as EPHRAIM MUST DO, in order to be Ephraim in the first place because no Gentile is suddenly adopted into Judah, ALL Gentiles come under the sure promise of Hosea two, under Ephraim.
Paul WAS of Ephraim, Paul WAS of the Ten tribes of the Northern kingdom of Israel being amongst the 7000 reserved in Israel. All the disciples were of Ephraim, not Judah.
Paul says,'' EVEN US WHOM GOD CALLED, NOT OF THE JEW ONLY, BUT EVEN US OF THE TEN LOST TRIBES OF Ephraim.''
Paul was a perfect example of what a Christian really should be, he was of Ephraim and of Judah because as Ephraim MUST, He MUST become one with Jews, or he simply is not Ephraim.
There are so many scriptures showing us that those sacrifices ONLY POINTED to US, You are the oxen Nate, you are yoked with another.
YOU are the Passover lamb and because Jesus died for you as a lamb, LIKEWISE, you ALSO DIE DAILY as the lamb So Jesus can live.
You are the ram dyed red Nate, you have a blood covering from Jesus.
YOU are the goat of Yom Kippur set loose, and the Bull of the feast of Tabernacles if you think you can control and supress the bull of your tongue.
To keep to the question at hand, you are saying that the sacrifices are kept symbolically as we LIVE in Christ.
Now back to "Passover:" it is kept symbolically as we acknowledge our participation in community. The BEST "ceremony" or "form" by which that is shown is in good old fashioned pot lucks. Otherwise the form of Passover are no more important than the forms of the various sacrifices that were mandated under the Covenant of Moses, and the "jots and tittles" of the Law are "fulfilled."
Thank you for your expanation of this.
Hanni, I believe that Christianity and Judaism are the forms that show the timeline of what is happening. You think that God has a religion but he does not, he used people's need of religion to a) communicate his plan and b) preserve the plan which is in symbols, allegory. Christianity seems to have made up a new religion on the form and allegories of the spiritual things that were being communicated which relate to the new covenant. I believe that is what the "beast" is in revelation, it is the beast that people worship, Christianity believes the anti messiah is future, but the system has been developing for 2000 years, and it is the system that is the problem and which deceives the people. I see that Christianity either needs to change or be destroyed, but do not see that we go back to Judaism which was the vehicle that God used to preserve his plan, there is a new creature who is not either Jew or Greek, the things that you are seeing are for you, I think you need to communicate them but I think different people are receiving different things because there are different callings for different offices. The nation of Israel was divided into 12 tribes, the priests are only a twelfth and do not have 'land rights' I do think that there will be a physical, literal fulfillment of things but it will relate to the spiritual fulfillment. The spiritual will rule the physical, the kingdom is on earth, ruled by the spiritual which is in the physical. What I believe is that humans are physical and spiritual beings which have/are evolving both physically and spiritually,
You think that everything is happening in each person but I don't think that is right. I think that there are and will be different tribes developing and the allegories and symbols will mean different things to different people depending on their calling.
There is a lot of national prophecies in all of the books of the bible which God says will only be revealed in the latter days, which I believe is now. Our individual responsibilities are love God and love your neighbour as yourself, that is the foundation of the law and prophets. That is what is to unite Israel, not the different perspectives that each member has
Eph 4:1 Then I, the prisoner in the Lord, exhort you to walk worthily of the calling in which you were called, Eph 4:2 with all humility and meekness, with long-suffering, bearing with one another in love,
Eph 4:3 being eager to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, even as you also were called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, the One above all and through all and in you all.
Eph 4:7 But to each one of us was given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Eph 4:8 Because of this, He says, "Having gone up on high, He led captivity captive," and gave "gifts to men." Psa. 68:18
Eph 4:9 But that He went up, what is it except that He also first came down into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that came down is the same who also went up above all the heavens, that He might fill all things. Eph 4:11 And indeed He gave some to be apostles; and some prophets; and some evangelists; and some pastors and teachers; Eph 4:12 with a view to the perfecting of the saints for the work of the ministry, for the building up of the body of Christ,
Eph 4:13 until we all may come to the unity of the faith and of the full knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
Eph 4:14 so that we may no longer be infants, being blown and carried about by every wind of doctrine, in the sleight of men, in craftiness to the deceit of error, Eph 4:15 but speaking the truth in love, we may grow up into Him in all things, who is the Head, the Christ,
Eph 4:16 from whom all the body, having been fitted and compacted together through every assisting bond, according to the effectual working of one measure in each part, produces the growth of the body to the building up of itself in love.
Hanni, I believe that Christianity and Judaism are the forms that show the timeline of what is happening. You think that God has a religion but he does not,
LOL.
God's religion is recorded for all to see, people make excuses why they aren't in God's religion.
The OBVIOUS TRUTH IS THIS, '' It is ok to be in any religion but God's religion.''
You think God's religion died in 70 A.D.?
It did not.
I speak for, and defend the religion of God from everyone who claims to believe in the God of Israel, ONLY, they refuse to follow the God of Israel and then say he has no religion because they don't happen to be in the religion of God.
Everyone I defend God from are people who claim to believe in the God of Israel, but will not accept the appointed holy days of the God of Israel and this IS IN FACT, what defines what religion a person is in.{According to the laws of Moses~Exodus 13}
It defines Christianity to be in the religion of Babylon worshipping the Messiah of Babylon if they are lawless enough to convert to any religion AS LONG AS IT ISN"T GOD' S Religion.
That is extremely convenient, what Christians would have me believe is that the belief in Jesus is the same as the belief of Tammuz in Babylon, and it is also the same belief in Mohammed, and the same belief as Hindu's and Buddhist.
That's what all of you guys are claiming, that you can follow any religion and worship system you want to follow and you are STILL in the religion of God.
Really?
If you converted to Hinduism, would you drop the holy days of Christianity?
If you suddenly became a Muslim, would you drop the ways of the Babylonian Holy days and begin keeping the holy days of Islam?
If you were a Buddhist, and you converted to Islam, would you stop keeping the holy days of Buddha, and begin keeping the Islamic ways in Ramadan?
OF COURSE YOU WOULD, But Christianity is the only religion in the world whereby a Christian converts to the Holy days and traditions of Tammuz WHILE THEY CLAIM TO BELIEVE IN THE GOD OF THE BIBLE.
Christianity is the only religion where if you believe in the God of the bible, YOU SHOULD SHUN THE WAYS OF THE GOD OF THE BIBLE.
Do you UNDERSTAND that if you begin keeping all the feasts and holy days and traditions of Islam, THAT YOU ARE IN FACT, A MUSLIM?
Are you going to convert to any religion in the world and NOT TAKE ON THAT RELIGION'S HOLY DAYS AND FEASTS?
I don't understand where people are not seeing THE TRUTH of what religion they are in. If you keep all the holy days and traditions of Buddhism, would you really try and claim that you are not a Buddhist?
It doesn't make any sense Meerkat, the refusal of people to acknoeldge the truth of what religion they are following and it is so simple because whatever holy days and feasts you are keeping, THAT IS the religion you are in, and Christians keep the holy days and traditions of Tammuz, the Babylonian Messiah and where you find the name Tammuz in Ezekiel 8, YOU IN FACT find people laying dead on 666, why are they dead?
BECAUSE, they came up to the temple of the God of Israel with BABYLONIAN holy days and traditions, WEEPING FOR TAMMUZ.
They were weeping for Tammuz BECAUSE just 40 years before this, The great King Josiah had come against all Paganism, and they were mourning because the statue of Babylon had been taken from the temple of the God of Israel, and they loved their pagan ways at the temple of God.
The great King Josiah had come and smashed their pagan alters to the ground and they were weeping because of it, because they missed their pagan Babylonian winter solstice and Easter in baking caked to the queen of heaven, and they were marked and sealed with death in their foreheads when Jerusalem was searched by candlelight.
Right there at 6 pm, the date changes to the 6th day in the 6th month in the 6th year, as they lay dead at the very sanctuary of God for involving themselves in the holy days and traditions of the Babylonian Messiah, THE SAME traditions and holy days that Christians keep today.
Exodus 34:13
"But rather, you are to tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and cut down their Asherim
Leviticus 26:30
'I then will destroy your high places, and cut down your incense altars, and heap your remains on the remains of your idols, for My soul shall abhor you.
2 Kings 23:19
Josiah also removed all the houses of the high places which were in the cities of Samaria, which the kings of Israel had made provoking the LORD; and he did to them just as he had done in Bethel.
2 Chronicles 14:5
He also removed the high places and the incense altars from all the cities of Judah. And the kingdom was undisturbed under him.
2 Chronicles 31:1
Now when all this was finished, all Israel who were present went out to the cities of Judah, broke the pillars in pieces, cut down the Asherim and pulled down the high places and the altars throughout all Judah and Benjamin, as well as in Ephraim and Manasseh, until they had destroyed them all. Then all the sons of Israel returned to their cities, each to his possession.
Isaiah 17:8
He will not have regard for the altars, the work of his hands, Nor will he look to that which his fingers have made, Even the Asherim and incense stands.
Micah 1:7
All of her idols will be smashed, All of her earnings will be burned with fire And all of her images I will make desolate, For she collected them from a harlot's earnings, And to the earnings of a harlot they will return.
Here is the FIRST KING OF EPHRAIM, and both the ten tribes and Christianity has fallen for this very reason, for the same holy days and traditions, they both fell, and they remain lost.
Jeroboam's Idolatry
25Then Jeroboam built Shechem in the hill country of Ephraim, and lived there. And he went out from there and built Penuel. 26Jeroboamsaidin his heart,"Nowthe kingdomwill returnto the houseof David. 27"If this people go up to offer sacrifices in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then the heart of this people will return to their lord, even to Rehoboam king of Judah; and they will kill me and return to Rehoboam king of Judah."…
Same EXACT thing Christianity did, same EXACT Holy days that Jeroboam had instituted, SO TOO, has Christianity followed and Constantine did EXACTLY what the first king of Ephraim had done.
LOST over what worship system you are presently keeping BECAUSE, it in fact, defines you according to the laws of Moses, Exodus 13.
Last edited by Hannibal Flavius; 07-01-2017 at 06:07 PM..
To keep to the question at hand, you are saying that the sacrifices are kept symbolically as we LIVE in Christ.
Now back to "Passover:" it is kept symbolically as we acknowledge our participation in community. The BEST "ceremony" or "form" by which that is shown is in good old fashioned pot lucks. Otherwise the form of Passover are no more important than the forms of the various sacrifices that were mandated under the Covenant of Moses, and the "jots and tittles" of the Law are "fulfilled."
Thank you for your expanation of this.
Again Nate, You simply will not believe what Jesus said because all is CERTAINLY not fulfilled, you think it is fulfilled? The second coming of Jesus is set for the second rain, we wait upon the second rain, the second coming at the feast of Tabernacles and not only do the prophets greatly detail Tabernacles unfolding, SO DOES REVELATION.
The sickle has not yet fallen for the grape harvest Nate, I PROMISE YOU, you will know when it happens. Even if you could somehow believe in some Bizzarro reality where everything has been fulfilled, it doesn't cancel out and render what Jesus said to be false.
ANYONE who walks in the law fulfills the law Nate, look at the scripture again without bias against the law.
Is the sun still in the sky Nate?
Is the Moon in the sky Nate?
Jesus Fulfills the Law 17Think not that I am come to destroy the law,or the prophets:I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
AGAIN, JESUS SAYS,''17Think not that I am come to destroy the law,or the prophets:I am not come to destroy.''
These are not my opinions Nate, they are the words of Jesus and you are going to find Bias against the law no matter what, but how you contradict everything Jesus says is beyond me.
I don't want ANYONE to believe me, but what I am showing ISN'T OPINION.
God said that he would put HIS LAW IN THEM.
What in the world do you think God means by this?
He put HIS LAW IN YOUR HEART?
I dunno, lol.
Do you really want HIS LAW in your heart? Do you think it's another law of God Nate?
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
