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Old 08-07-2017, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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What makes you think I do not use the Bible as my guide? Remember conservative Christians preach sola scriptura and our only guide for conduct and doctrine.
The fact that you displace the only authority that "guide" mentions as promised by Jesus. If you believed the book, you would use the Guide promised IN THAT BOOK instead of the book NOT promised ANYwhere.

Paradox.
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Old 08-07-2017, 11:00 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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Seems to me you got your request in spades but failed to address them.
I just told him why. If that is not to your liking, that's fine with me.
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Old 08-07-2017, 11:04 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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By using the Guide Jesus promised?
The guide Jesus left guides us into what the Bible says and none of it is errant.
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Old 08-07-2017, 11:07 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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Using a line from Nateswift, can I show you how God's inspiration CHANGED over time?
Numbers 14:18
And this punishment is promised in several places--Exodus 20:5; Deut. 5:9; Exodus 34:7

But God inspired differently in the following:
Deut. 24:16

2 Kings 14:6

Ezekiel 18:20

Here is another example of Scripture one after the other:

Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Or you will also be like him. Prov 26:5
Answer a fool as his folly deserves, That he not be wise in his own eyes. Prov 26:6

So it is clear that inspiration is SITUATIONAL and one must bring wisdom TO Scripture in order to get wisdom OUT of Scripture. Whatever it is, the Bible is NOT a point by point exhaustive and timelessly binding list of instructions about God and a life of faith. But it IS a model for our own spiritual journey--and therefore is inspired.
The Bible Tells Me So, Why Defending Scripture Has Made Us Unable to Read It, Peter Enns in the chapter entitled So What's My Point.

There are a tremendous number of other examples where Scripture is situational--such as eunuchs being unable to enter the congregation of the Lord (Deut. 23:1) but which later inspiration revised and made great promises to eunuchs who served God (Isaiah 56:4-5)

No one is able to make blanket statements about Scripture. It is a path that is solitary as God inspires US to find guidance in a book written by men--inspired though they may have been.
ALL Scripture is inspired by God... That is a blanket statement which you can't falsify.

I don't have time to address the verses you quoted. I have made a note of it and will get back to it soon.
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Old 08-07-2017, 11:12 AM
 
Location: USA
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ALL Scripture is inspired by God... That is a blanket statement which you can't falsify.
According to that statement, anything that is useful for teaching and training can be seen as God-breathed "scripture" then, too.
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Old 08-07-2017, 11:14 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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The fact that you displace the only authority that "guide" mentions as promised by Jesus. If you believed the book, you would use the Guide promised IN THAT BOOK instead of the book NOT promised ANYwhere.

Paradox.

I have no idea what you are talking about. What guide am I not using?
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Old 08-07-2017, 11:15 AM
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According to that statement, anything that is useful for teaching and training can be seen as God-breathed "scripture" then, too.
My computer manual?
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Old 08-07-2017, 11:17 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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According to that statement, anything that is useful for teaching and training can be seen as God-breathed "scripture" then, too.
Many things are useful for teaching and training but not for spiritual truth. You also omitted part of the verse. It is not for training, it is for training in righteousness. Only the Bible can do that.
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Old 08-07-2017, 11:18 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Wardendresden View Post
Using a line from Nateswift, can I show you how God's inspiration CHANGED over time?
Numbers 14:18
And this punishment is promised in several places--Exodus 20:5; Deut. 5:9; Exodus 34:7

But God inspired differently in the following:
Deut. 24:16

2 Kings 14:6

Ezekiel 18:20

.

There is no contradiction, as usual what's missing is understanding; yours. Notice it said they would be PUT TO DEATH for their sins in one set? But in another He said He would visit the iniquity upon the children unto the 3rd and 4th generation? One deals with the sin immediately via death, the other deals with it posthumously. He didn't do one or the other, He did BOTH. Those sins are "visited" upon the generations via generational curses (Deut. 28) carried out by evil spirits.

This is why you see things transfer from generation to generation, like alcoholism, or a spirit of addiction, or dozens of others. Number ONE sins, is "put to death" for his own sin, BUT that spirit has a legal right to transfer through the generations down to number FOUR, because ONE did not overcome. This is the problem with selfishness and patty cake doctrines of indulgence to the lusts of the flesh like allowing a spirit of addiction to stand in the temple.

It's never JUST about us, it's about what we give a legal right to transfer down through our generations, MAKING THEIR BANDS STRONGER, because of the principle of multiplication. When the generations give life (let it express it's nature through them) to what was passed down to them, THEN it becomes THEIR sin and they get judged for it. It's very simply the law of sowing and reaping played out over generations instead of one person. Peace

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Old 08-07-2017, 11:19 AM
 
Location: USA
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My computer manual?
Cute. If your computer manual equips you to love, then maybe it's scripture too.
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