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It's you who aren't getting it. Revelation talks about the return of Jesus which as He made clear in Matthew is literal, physical, and will be seen by the entire world. This has never happened as of yet. It did not happen in A.D. 70. It is a future event. Jesus will not return until the Jews acknowledge that Jesus is the Messiah and ask Him to return. And the future return of Jesus is connected with the future Tribulation. There is absolutely no Scriptural justification for taking a preteristic view of the events mentioned in chapters four and following. I already went over all of this in post #654.
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Matthew 16:28 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
RESPONSE: Using the plain meaning of words, Jesus's says he will return within his generation.
Unfortunately, in spite of Jesus use of plain words, some fundamentalist or literalists have to come up, with a long convoluted explanation (sometimes involving the Book of Revelation ) trying to prove that Jesus didn't really mean what he precisely said.
Otherwise, they have to accept that there is an error in supposedly "inerrant scripture."
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Are you saying that you agree that the bible is not inerrant?
In a sense yes, but to plainly say inerrant leaves far to much room for interpretation.
Firstly the Bible, 66 books canonized. 2nd Which version.
What language it's in.
The importance is good news is being given. And along with the OT, is given in multiple languages. Yet this a small matter to the Lord. Because the pattern is spiritually discerned and communicated.
28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
RESPONSE: Using the plain meaning of words, Jesus's says he will return within his generation.
Unfortunately, in spite of Jesus use of plain words, some fundamentalist or literalists have to come up, with a long convoluted explanation (sometimes involving the Book of Revelation ) trying to prove that Jesus didn't really mean what he precisely said.
Otherwise, they have to accept that there is an error in supposedly "inerrant scripture."
Yes. It's amusing watching fundies tie themselves into pseudo-scriptural knots "explaining away" that one.
In a sense yes, but to plainly say inerrant leaves far to much room for interpretation.
Firstly the Bible, 66 books canonized. 2nd Which version.
What language it's in.
The importance is good news is being given. And along with the OT, is given in multiple languages. Yet this a small matter to the Lord. Because the pattern is spiritually discerned and communicated.
I posted for you in another thread the common understanding of what is meant by inerrant:
"Inerrancy contends that the Bible does not have any errors of fact or any statements that contradict." ~ Don Stewart
Would you agree with this definition? Or do you have another?
28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
RESPONSE: Using the plain meaning of words, Jesus's says he will return within his generation.
Unfortunately, in spite of Jesus use of plain words, some fundamentalist or literalists have to come up, with a long convoluted explanation (sometimes involving the Book of Revelation ) trying to prove that Jesus didn't really mean what he precisely said.
Otherwise, they have to accept that there is an error in supposedly "inerrant scripture."
As has been noted, you like to use the plain meaning of words excuse when you think it works in your favor, but you disregard it when it works against you. Nevertheless, Jesus was not referring to His present generation as the one which would see His return since the clear meaning of His words in Acts 1:7 in reply to the disciples asking Him if the kingdom was to be restored to Israel at that time (1:6) was that it wasn't for them to know the times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority. This suggested a very long time might take place before He returns, as indeed has been the case.
''This generation'' in Matthew 24:34 refers to the specific generation which sees the signs of which He had just told them. These signs will take place in the Tribulation which is still future.
And Matthew 16:28 simply refers to the transfiguration event which took place about a week later (Matthew 17:1-9). The transfiguration was a preview of coming events with regard to the kingdom.
As has been noted, you like to use the plain meaning of words excuse when you think it works in your favor, but you disregard it when it works against you. Nevertheless, Jesus was not referring to His present generation as the one which would see His return since the clear meaning of His words in Acts 1:7 in reply to the disciples asking Him if the kingdom was to be restored to Israel at that time (1:6) was that it wasn't for them to know the times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority. This suggested a very long time might take place before He returns, as indeed has been the case.
''This generation'' in Matthew 24:34 refers to the specific generation which sees the signs of which He had just told them. These signs will take place in the Tribulation which is still future.
And Matthew 16:28 simply refers to the transfiguration event which took place about a week later (Matthew 17:1-9). The transfiguration was a preview of coming events with regard to the kingdom.
28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
RESPONSE: Using the plain meaning of words, Jesus's says he will return within his generation.
Unfortunately, in spite of Jesus use of plain words, some fundamentalist or literalists have to come up, with a long convoluted explanation (sometimes involving the Book of Revelation ) trying to prove that Jesus didn't really mean what he precisely said.
Otherwise, they have to accept that there is an error in supposedly "inerrant scripture."
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Originally Posted by Mike555
As has been noted, you like to use the plain meaning of words excuse when you think it works in your favor, but you disregard it when it works against you. Nevertheless, Jesus was not referring to His present generation as the one which would see His return since the clear meaning of His words in Acts 1:7 in reply to the disciples asking Him if the kingdom was to be restored to Israel at that time (1:6) was that it wasn't for them to know the times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority. This suggested a very long time might take place before He returns, as indeed has been the case.
''This generation'' in Matthew 24:34 refers to the specific generation which sees the signs of which He had just told them. These signs will take place in the Tribulation which is still future.
And Matthew 16:28 simply refers to the transfiguration event which took place about a week later (Matthew 17:1-9). The transfiguration was a preview of coming events with regard to the kingdom.
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{# 678TroutDude makes fun of Mike555 using Stephen Colbert eating popcorn}
Well, of course, the chalkboard will make fun of you with itself depicting a robot mechanic eating popcorn of the false news media it states it is always against those same ones who are flesh and blood.
Whatever treason tries to do to continue to tear down verses or syllables of the same one who went to the cross where hell is hot is just a joke to say it exists but when there it will need all of that food.
As in the days of Noah they were eating and drinking as also making fun of Noah because it says he told them what was going to happen but they listened not as they carried on sermons to be later fed.
The Kingdom is not meat or drink or any such thing in that even Rachel Maddow could tell the difference between a Trump supporter who feigns his very own position even if she is at other preferred.
Wait until it goes back to pound the same table it has set up for himself to he thinks this is matter to continue to laugh at that he looks the part of a clown any way he applies the make-up he is at leaded.
Originally Posted by omega2xxTo deny someone anything based on a religious premise is not discrimination, To require them to violate a sincere belief, is discrimination. I disagree with that bakery, but it is wrong to make them do something against a sincere religious belief. They were not the only bakery in town that could have fulfilled their request. Their refusal was based on their religion.
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nateswift: They were not required to do something against their sincere belief, they were required to stop serving the public if they continued to do so and to pay a penalty for what they did.
How's that for turning your logic back on you?
If a religious system oppresses others as it makes make-shift temples to shape-shift itself as it harbors illogical grievances against those it has hurt, is that the synopsis of what is happening here, forth abide.
"The Essene Gospel of Peace" tells the methods of cleansing one's temple, that to bake bread it should not be in a hot oven but by nature itself, to when one is given to take of it, that God's sun will see it baked.
That sun lights up a light of fire to press down with the hands of God who is the one who provides all things for his church to sustain itself upon the altar of Christ God said to eat according to Genesis 1 it's recorded.
The corrupt society known as the political world is full of money which does nothing but hold the power strings to bring the masses back to their very own masters they threw off in the very last election of theirs elected.
The President of the United States Donald J. Trump was given full power by the American people, and those outside of it, who said we can have no more wars which cost way more than taxpayers' money; it is all death worked.
For nothing but paltry wages if perhaps a few benefits, but it is still a lie that to continue to vote has any lasting value if the people are never heard except to be told it's been the same way since the Bible's inception, it is at scripted.
That the New World Order has taken certain aspects of the Bible, whichever version fits best, then hopeful it could still pull the wool over the natives' eyes so it can continue to inflict more serious harm as it deems fit on those who rebelled.
Logic deems fit that he shall continue to exist in the next world to come, but if the Savior hates the antichrist, then what of all those other fellows called antichrists, that the Hyksos shall not continue into the next world because they're the world.
One used to say as many times it was thought of that those with all the money who hold onto it as if it is better being miserable with all of it rather than really helping their neighbor see something is righted in their life because power to means is cold.
That if you knew of a situation where help to someone would have lasted a lot longer in helping them achieve some form of happiness at it is just the thought of it that might mean something that where is faith today that if you have way more than a scold.
It is not the amount even that counts more than when a hand is lifted up to see a little better being sent their way even if not the richest person in the unwholistic entity that those who aimed their sights way higher are left to the antichrist system as is foretold.
As the things of the world are not as important per those of the spiritual but the things of the world as other things of more prominence become just another cult of selfishness that when the angels can touch one to say the premise is note a correct one to be unfolded.
And if one has done harm to their neighbor and it is never rectified, then God will send judgments of a caliber that they would have hoped that way more than that wallet ever counted more than just being used as a more oppressive tool of how the angels of heaven have judged.
There shall be a hundred stripes of hellfire more than they thought a joke that hell would never reach their footsteps, that 36,000 degrees is just a beginning factor for if those same stripes inflicted are never accounted for, then hell to pay shall be the make-shift's temple acquired.
Revelation is clearly about the end of the world. The new heaven and earth and the great whit throne judgment say that it is. Also the battle of Armageddon and the marriage of the Lamb point to the future.
666 is not taught as the number of Satan, It is clearly the number of the beast and the beast is a man, probably the false prophet(Rev 13:18).
John is the most logical author of Revelation and he was certainly a Christian. God would not give this information to a non-Christian.
There is only one book of Revelation inspired by God.
The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor will they say:
'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the Kingdom of God is in your midst.
A greater understanding of God will purify your heart, reach within; and you may find it.
The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor will they say:
'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the Kingdom of God is in your midst.
A greater understanding of God will purify your heart, reach within; and you may find it.
I believe this, too.
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