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Easy answer: by going back to the "schoolmaster" stage of development instead of perceiving and growing in love. Thinking that rules and overt behavior are actually important in themselves apart from the motivation.
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Originally Posted by nateswift
By the way, that's the same point that most of the institutional Christian church has taken us back to.... no surprise.
Failing to mature past the Obedience mind set is the major failing of the Abrahamic religions. The point when Islam fell from the truth is when they failed to mature beyond the focus on the "What" rather than "Why." As you say, nate, it is their state of mind and motivation that is what God is focused on. God wants a state of mind in love of God and each other, NOT obedience. Obedience is focused on gaining approbation from God for ourselves motivated by self-interest. Agape love is focused on the well-being of everyone involved in any situation motivated by love for all.
So if anyone accuses me of "Islamophobia", I'd like to reference the fact that the other thread was made with impunity, while this thread will probably find some reason (excuse) to be closed in under 8 pages.
How does anyone know IF it has fallen from the truth? Perhaps christianity has fallen and Islam is true?
And why does it matter since it cannot be proven and all comes down to a personal opinion / interpretation? All this ammounts to is a a means to discredit another's belief (just as the inverse question "when did christianity fall..")
Failing to mature past the Obedience mind set is the major failing of the Abrahamic religions. The point when Islam fell from the truth is when they failed to mature beyond the focus on the "What" rather than "Why." As you say, nate, it is their state of mind and motivation that is what God is focused on. God wants a state of mind in love of God and each other, NOT obedience. Obedience is focused on gaining approbation from God for ourselves motivated by self-interest. Agape love is focused on the well-being of everyone involved in any situation motivated by love for all.
This obedience thing actually causes more bondage within Christians especially fundamentalist ones than we could ever know. I was searching radio stations in my car the others day after having had my fill of negative news and why the Patriots lost their home opener. It stopped at a Christian station and I immediately thought of you Mystic, because this preacher taught the Master and dog obedience and trust thing.
Issac was the child of the promise (in the lineage of faith and Christ), while Ismael (the direct descendant of Mohammed/Islam) was not. (Gen. 21-22, Gal. 4:28)
God's plan from the beginning was that Abraham was counted righteous because of his faith, while Ismael was promised a great nation ... but, that he would always be a wild ass of a man and never at peace with anyone. (Gen 16:12)
Islam could never fall away from the truth (Jesus Christ) - which it never had to begin with. The question is like asking, "When did false doctrine become false?"
Issac was the child of the promise (in the lineage of faith and Christ), while Ismael (the direct descendant of Mohammed/Islam) was not. (Gen. 21-22, Gal. 4:28)
God's plan from the beginning was that Abraham was counted righteous because of his faith, while Ismael was promised a great nation ... but, that he would always be a wild ass of a man and never at peace with anyone. (Gen 16:12)
Islam could never fall away from the truth (Jesus Christ) - which it never had to begin with. The question is like asking, "When did false doctrine become false?"
Over the years i have read some fantastic quotes credited to muslims. Obvioiusly they had seen something.
Over the years i have read some fantastic quotes credited to muslims. Obvioiusly they had seen something.
1Ki 18:38
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Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
Elijah he wasn't , Yet elijah doesn't have his own religion. and we all should be happy for that..;P
we should be happy for the grace that came in the form of God sons who was greater than Elijah who we access by faith and repentance.. and does have his own religion and his own records called the new testament. and extension of the same right hand of God shown in the old testament.
Over the years i have read some fantastic quotes credited to muslims. Obvioiusly they had seen something.
So, perhaps OP should read "WHERE does Islam fall from the truth>" or "How does Islam depart from truth?" Both, of course from the Christian standpoint. Notice that this does not indicate that Islam does not include SOME truth or truths, but asks about the possibility of false teaching (from the Christian standpoint) being included from the beginning.
So, perhaps OP should read "WHERE does Islam fall from the truth>" or "How does Islam depart from truth?" Both, of course from the Christian standpoint. Notice that this does not indicate that Islam does not include SOME truth or truths, but asks about the possibility of false teaching (from the Christian standpoint) being included from the beginning.
You've gotta love the my God is bigger than yours mentality.
So, perhaps OP should read "WHERE does Islam fall from the truth>" or "How does Islam depart from truth?" Both, of course from the Christian standpoint. Notice that this does not indicate that Islam does not include SOME truth or truths, but asks about the possibility of false teaching (from the Christian standpoint) being included from the beginning.
For the sake of deception, all lies and false doctrine are presented with some element of truth. The enemy of our soul mixes in just enough truth to make the lie easier to swallow -- and grows his lie from that base. Therefore, the value or merit should never be measured by how much truth 'it contains.'
God did not give mankind His inspired Word and then say, "figure out which part is true" or "take whatever you like." The Bible is either God's inspired truth standard ...or mankind has no verifiable way to differentiate truth from error.
The Koran contradicts and differs from the Bible in many ways, most notably, Jesus Christ, the Savior and Lord of mankind. Call it whatever you like, but, that makes the Koran a lie. For modern, politically correct Christians to attempt to paint the Koran as "somewhat true" or "containing some truth" is like 'putting lipstick on a pig."
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