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Old 10-17-2017, 10:09 AM
 
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Hi nateswift, I see several instructions to Watch and be Ready. I'm following those instructions.
No, that is what you would be doing every day. What YOU are doing is saying "Hey, I figured out when it's going to be! Aren't I special?"
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Old 10-17-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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No, that is what you would be doing every day. What YOU are doing is saying "Hey, I figured out when it's going to be! Aren't I special?"
Heh heh...Another infuriating individual with a "I know it all and you can't teach me nothing" attitude...
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Old 10-17-2017, 10:39 AM
 
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Christ is not Israel. He is its King. Big difference.

Would you say that Donald Trump is America? He is America's president - America's foremost leader. Big difference - especially if you didn't vote for him. Replacement theology takes scripture out of context to support false doctrine in the same way a crooked man can steal an election.

Where are your references? Chapter and verse, please. If you believe a thing, then support it with scriptural references. I perceive you've been persuaded to believe a lie.

There is no way to spin this. It is not stated anywhere in the Bible that Jesus is Israel. It is not historic fact. It is not supported in the Bible. It is not supported by logic.

Jesus is the King of the Jews (Mathew 27:37). Israel is the nation and people over whom He is ruler. HE is part of it, yet separate from it.

Jesus is also the Lord of the Kingdom of Heaven (John 18:36 - spoken in response to charges by the Roman governor that he, Jesus, was guilty of insurrection against Caesar. Jesus is a diplomat not a politician.)

The body of Christ and the blood oath to join it.....

When a person surrenders to Christ and believes in His Lordship over him several things happen. That person becomes a Jew - a member of His people. Additionally, whether that person understands it or not he or she has taken a blood oath with God and before men. That person is required by scripture to testify to this oath (Matt 10:33).

The first demonstration of a blood oath and it's meaning happens in Genesis 15:9-21. A blood oath cannot be revoked. This is why Jesus said that He did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. (Matt 5:17)

The Abrahamic blood oath is between God and God's people, the Jews. It is a symbiotic relationship. The people depend upon their Lord (a Lord is a ruler, a law giver and enforcer) and their God (a God provides miraculous deliverance and daily support). God calls them His people and demonstrates jealous protection and guidance toward them. God cannot be voted out of office. Once the agreement, the covenant, is done it cannot be undone. You cannot remove blood stains from clean linen. This is why Luke 14:28 cautions people to consider the cost before making such a decision. It's also why Joshua cautioned the same thing (Joshua 24:14-15). Choice is free until the blood oath is taken. After that it cannot be revoked.

When a person is saved whether he be Jew or goyim, he becomes part of the body of Christ - that which is under the blood oath. The saved person becomes a Jew (Romans 2:29). Christ becomes King (Lord) and God (miraculous deliverer & supporter over the saved person(s). Believers are not Christ. Believers are not God. God is separate yet allows believers to participate in the blood oath He has sworn to His people. God allows them to join the spiritual and physical benefits and consequences of being part of His people.

The Bible teaches two primary truths;
1. There is a God.
2. Humans are not God.

The enemy, as well as human hubris, would have us believe otherwise. The concept is clear and simple, yet it is perverted for the benefit of those who profit by it.

- Another example of a blood oath......
Colossians 2:11 - "in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;"

- Another example of membership in Christ as a Jew.....(btw Paul sent his letter to messianic/believing Jews. Paul was speaking to the Jewish nation who understood his meaning. It has to be explained elsewhere to goyim who do not understand the principle involved.)
1 Corinthians 12:21 - "Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it."

You wrote, "Christ IS Israel and those members of His body are also of Israel" Christ is King of Israel. It is plainly and repeatedly stated. Members of His body - His Nation - are Jews. This is also plainly stated. The two are separate yet joined politically, physically and spiritually. A leader is part of His people, yet separate from them.

The motto of the United States is e pluribus unum. It states that the member states of the American federation are separate yet united in one purpose - physically and politically. The concept of separate yet unified members is not a new one. It is ancient and true.

The Jewish shema (pronounced sh-ma) is the oldest statement of faith in the world. In English it says, Hear O Israel the Lord our God. The Lord is one.
What the Jewish rabbinate deliberately ignores is their own word for one - echad used in the prayer. Ecad means one in the same context as e pluribus unum. A unity of separates. The Hebrew word for absolute one is yachid, meaning one or single thing. Ecad refers to the concept of unity, while maintaining separation. Echad is the word used in the shema, not yachid. The difference and the meaning is deliberate. This is a bit of Biblical mysticism that if seriously considered will inexorably lead one to an understanding of Jesus as King and Jews as His people and nation - together yet separate.

Why is it so hard to grasp the difference that a third grade child would understand? Simply put many today accept theories and doctrines without due process of examination and study. I invite the reader to undertake such a task. Not everything we read and hear today is the truth. We owe it to ourselves and our children to study in order to show ourselves approved before God.

The time of the Jubilee year is also a time of repentance before God (Yom Kippur) - of turning away from sin and cleansing of all things that have attached to us like barnacles upon the hull of a ship. Jubilee is a call to return to God. (Google shofar sounds in the sky. The shofar, ram's horn, is sounded during Yom Kippur AND in the book of Revelation). The call to repentance by the people of earth has been heard in the heavens. Jubilee is upon us.

It is time to repent NOW.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
I believe the poor thing is getting her information from the likes of this:

https://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org...he-new-israel/

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Old 10-17-2017, 10:41 AM
 
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Do you know what the name Israel actually means in Hebrew?
I would just love to hear what it is...
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Old 10-17-2017, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I would just love to hear what it is...
Isn't this the guy who says, he has a new name but it's a secret?
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Old 10-17-2017, 11:59 AM
 
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I personally think it will be much sooner than 2040. Interesting that this is the 40th, since 40 is the number of completion everywhere else.


I would also add that the day of the Lord (G-d) is also Christ, as He is no part darkness. Peace
Hi Rbbi1, yes I found the 40 jubilees inbetween to be very interesting as well.
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Old 10-17-2017, 12:01 PM
 
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No, that is what you would be doing every day. What YOU are doing is saying "Hey, I figured out when it's going to be! Aren't I special?"
Could it be that I'm enthusiastic about sharing this knowledge with others?
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Old 10-17-2017, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Could it be that I'm enthusiastic about sharing this knowledge with others?
Um, I don't think I'd label it "knowledge."
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Old 10-17-2017, 12:24 PM
 
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Do you know what the name Israel actually means in Hebrew?



Is there some web site where I can look at the math and calendars you use to come to this conclusion?
Hi TRex, I have heard various definitions from different scholars of ancient Hebrew as to what Israel means and found it hard to discern. But to me, Israel means the Righteousness of God.

I also don't have a website (yet). But I'm going to work on that. That math can be found in Leviticus 25 starting at verse 8. A lot of Jubilee calendars also use the same method but the key is finding a verified Jubilee day and counting from that date. In my case I was able to establish the date of Jesus Death and Resurrection. That is a Jubilee by my understanding. This led me to find out other significant dates such as the Exodus from Egypt which also would be a Jubilee. While, the Jubilee was not instructed to be kept until the Israelites were in the Promised Land, I believe it still lands on those significant dates in prior history.
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Old 10-17-2017, 12:25 PM
 
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Um, I don't think I'd label it "knowledge."
Hi Troutdude, I base my understanding in logical reasoning and rational conclusions. To say you don't label something as knowledge but provide no counter warrants no thorough investigation.
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