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Finn, what you forget once again is that everyone has a different interpretation about what those teachings of Jesus mean.
What IS that fundamental teaching of Christ you are positive of knowing? That God loses most souls or saves them? An ALL powerful one too?
If you are right, that only a few are saved, wouldn't that be a faulty foundation to fundamental teachings instead of a solid one?
This is very fundamental: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son. That whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
This is very fundamental: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son. That whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
Amen. But who is the author and finisher of our faith?
Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
The countless number of LGBT young people and adults driven to despair, drug addiction and/or suicide due to fundamentalist beliefs.
Would you like more? Individual names? Like Leelah Alcorn? Or myself?
Here's another. A fundamentalist here told me that I'm cursed because I'm poor (I'm disabled).
Another told me my parents did the right thing by disowning me. Actually, that came from more than one person.
How is that loving, Finn?
Driven to suicide by Fundamentalists? LIE.
According to the Trevor Project, an organization that tracks LGBT suicides and its causes, religious affiliation or the lack of it is NOT a factor.
Factors affecting suicidal actions include peer attitudes from same-age level persons, family, and onLine sources (such as Facebook bullying). The reader is familiar with the stories. Why not admit to the truth? It has nothing to do with religion.
In point of fact, as I've stated earlier, Fundamentalism is no longer an influence of behavior upon any group in the United States, LGBT notwithstanding. According to noted theologians of the past century, it has lost its legitimacy as well as its message of hope. This is due mostly to abuse by TV preachers, the prosperity gospel and almost total lack of spiritual dedication on the part of leadership. Evidence for this can be seen in falling attendance figures (PEW & Gallup polls). People are not interested in participating in any group that has no philosophical or spiritual standard.
The god business has become a national franchise (as admitted by certain non-denominational groups as well as denominations such as the Methodist Church). It is a business and has little or nothing to do with persecution or bias against self-gratification and sexually aberrant behavior. The main thrust of these religious groups is to anything to attract members and increase donations. It's all about the money honey, not exclusivity or finger pointing. You can't squeeze money out of people when you tell them they aren't wanted.
Protestant Christianity is more cash-oriented than spirit-oriented. People from all walks of life are welcomed with open arms and spiritual responsibility is almost never preached, taught or impressed upon congregations. Repentance is a topic never raised in church in the 21st century.
Language that accuses Protestants of harassment and/or prejudice is hate language because it is a biased lie.
Fundamentalism has nothing to do with morality. It's more like spiritual tickling than spiritual responsibility or truth. Adults need their fairy tales too and Protestant Christianity in all its forms has betrayed the gospel.
Wickedness flourishes and no one wants to warn the world that the penalty for sin is death. The time to repent is NOW. Judgment is coming and God is alive. God has standards even if the church does not. Only Jesus can save from sin - not the church. If one does not repent of sin, the second death awaits.
and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
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According to the Trevor Project, an organization that tracks LGBT suicides and its causes, religious affiliation or the lack of it is NOT a factor.
Factors affecting suicidal actions include peer attitudes from same-age level persons, family, and onLine sources (such as Facebook bullying). The reader is familiar with the stories. Why not admit to the truth? It has nothing to do with religion.
In point of fact, as I've stated earlier, Fundamentalism is no longer an influence of behavior upon any group in the United States, LGBT notwithstanding. According to noted theologians of the past century, it has lost its legitimacy as well as its message of hope. This is due mostly to abuse by TV preachers, the prosperity gospel and almost total lack of spiritual dedication on the part of leadership. Evidence for this can be seen in falling attendance figures (PEW & Gallup polls). People are not interested in participating in any group that has no philosophical or spiritual standard.
The god business has become a national franchise (as admitted by certain non-denominational groups as well as denominations such as the Methodist Church). It is a business and has little or nothing to do with persecution or bias against self-gratification and sexually aberrant behavior. The main thrust of these religious groups is to anything to attract members and increase donations. It's all about the money honey, not exclusivity or finger pointing. You can't squeeze money out of people when you tell them they aren't wanted.
Protestant Christianity is more cash-oriented than spirit-oriented. People from all walks of life are welcomed with open arms and spiritual responsibility is almost never preached, taught or impressed upon congregations. Repentance is a topic never raised in church in the 21st century.
Language that accuses Protestants of harassment and/or prejudice is hate language because it is a biased lie.
Fundamentalism has nothing to do with morality. It's more like spiritual tickling than spiritual responsibility or truth. Adults need their fairy tales too and Protestant Christianity in all its forms has betrayed the gospel.
Wickedness flourishes and no one wants to warn the world that the penalty for sin is death. The time to repent is NOW. Judgment is coming and God is alive. God has standards even if the church does not. Only Jesus can save from sin - not the church. If one does not repent of sin, the second death awaits.
and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
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I’ve had gay friends who took their own life, largely because of the messages they received from fundamentalist Christian culture, pastors, and communities.
None of my friends, and none of the teenagers who have taken their lives in America, did so because Islamic radicals were threatening their life. None of them decided not living was preferable to living because an Islamic cleric was preaching from the pulpit on Sunday mornings.
No, the demonization, the fear mongering, the denigrating was much closer to home. It was, in fact, in their own back yards. In the church down the street. In the words of the politician from their hometown.
Now, imagine hearing these messages over and over again, which induces self-hatred and seemingly inescapable feelings of worthlessness. First, you hear it from the pulpit. Then you hear it from a bully on the playground. Then you witness it when a teacher doesn’t stand up for you. When all of this adds up, it can become unbearable for anyone to handle.
What’s sad about Christian fundamentalists is they don’t understand the power of words and they only see LGBT people as “issues”. An issue doesn’t stretch when it gets out of bed in the morning. An issue doesn’t inhale and exhale in order to stay alive. An issue doesn’t cry alone in the bedroom at night after a rough day at school. An issue doesn’t experience fear, loneliness, or sadness. -----------------------------
Fundamentalists of all stripes are so wrapped up in theology, that they are incapable of seeing humanness in front of them. That’s how they can say whatever they want and do whatever they want and never consider that their words or actions might somehow be incredibly damaging. Just because you aren’t physically attacking the LGBT community, doesn’t mean you’re not doing harm.
Fundamentalist Christians will continue to deflect, point to Islamic radicals, and bury the past because deep down they know they’ve spent decades and hundreds of millions of dollars, hell-bent on making the lives of LGBT more difficult. Yet, they will not repent. They won’t even attempt an apology.
This group of Christians will try to deny having any responsibility for violence toward LGBT people. Yet, they are participants in a conga line of animosity toward LGBT people everywhere. They may not be throwing us off buildings or putting bullets in our heads, but they’ve certainly laid the groundwork and started exporting anti-LGBT sentiment across the globe (familiar with “Kill the Gays bill” abroad?).
I am angry. I am sad. I want to love and forgive my own brothers and sisters in Christ, but this forgiveness thing is hard when those you love are continuously wounded by so-called people of faith. Lord, give me strength.
"Can Christian Fundamentalism be credibly defended?"
we do not need or want your defense not from you.... we have no need to be defended..... your defense is not credible..
our Judge and advocate is Christ alone !!!!!!
and
not a pack of lukewarm unbelievers of the Laodicean Church Age. Jesus even says he is about to spit you out of his mouth .. . and with them, all their anti-'s christ.. of every sort that just them ( have come into agreements) with a worldly repentance .. not of his life) the luke warn who do not even know his voice.
we do not need or want you defend anyone on any matter.
Laodiceans.. are not the judge or the jury and chances are you are not even our peers.
and just the mere fact you think can judge us proves how lukewarm you really are and just how much you are taken up with the worldly including militant anti-theists of every label.. and how much they are Not with the creator, the Father, the Spirit or His Word.
yet the Laodiceans are the biggest hypocrites of all.. speaking of love and tolerance like they worship it.. and do not have clue what it is. and do not show it or prove it.. they are just letting everyone else itch their own and no hearts are healed of sin and bondage, by God's true love and true workings and dealing in the hearts of repentant people. ..
"Can Christian Fundamentalism be credibly defended?"
we do not need or want your defense not from you.... we have no need to be defended..... your defense is not credible..
our Judge and advocate is Christ alone !!!!!!
and
not a pack of lukewarm unbelievers of the Laodicean Church Age. Jesus even says he is about to spit you out of his mouth .. . and with them, all their anti-'s christ.. of every sort that just them ( have come into agreements) with a worldly repentance .. not of his life) the luke warn who do not even know his voice.
we do not need or want you defend anyone on any matter.
Laodiceans.. are not the judge or the jury and chances are you are not even our peers.
and just the mere fact you think can judge us proves how lukewarm you really are and just how much you are taken up with the worldly including militant anti-theists of every label.. and how much they are Not with the creator, the Father, the Spirit or His Word.
yet the Laodiceans are the biggest hypocrites of all.. speaking of love and tolerance like they worship it.. and do not have clue what it is. and do not show it or prove it.. they are just letting everyone else itch their own and no hearts are healed of sin and bondage, by God's true love and true workings and dealing in the hearts of repentant people. ..
Well said.
Especially the part about:
"speaking of love and tolerance like they worship it"
I suspect that hits the nail on the head.
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“Tolerance is the last virtue of a depraved society. When an immoral society has blatantly and proudly violated all the commandments, it insists upon one last virtue, tolerance for its immorality. It will not tolerate condemnation of its perversions. It creates a whole new world in which only the intolerant critic of intolerable evil is evil.” Hutton Gibson
God is love; why wouldn't anyone worship love? As to what love is, your own bible gives a great description in 1 Cor. 13, but the more you experience the giving and receiving of it, the less you need a book to tell you about it.
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