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Old 01-02-2018, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Mobile, Al.
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I read this a couple of times and tried very hard to understand but couldn't quite follow. I do appreciate the effort; however, is there a way you can explain this again?

Specially the bold part - Are we saying only prophets of pre-Jesus era have a chance to be saved, but what about millions of people in general population who were not prophets in the pre-Jesus era? What happens to them?
First thanks for the response, and the interest.
the Lord Jesus is the diversity or the offspring, or the EQUAL share of himself as God in flesh. not a biological offspring, but the Equal "SHARE" of himself spirit, in flesh. not a separate person, but as the Greek define it as the G243 allos of himself, or the Another.

understand, I don't believe in 3 person in the Godhead, but one person diversified or shared as the offspring.

now, the bold area. I was saying that it should not effect our faith by the Lord being a prophet as a man. Philippians 2:6-8 prove this out. also by stating 1 Peter 1:10 & 11 it shows the Lord Jesus as God in the OT and shows him as that prophet manifested in the flesh, that he, himself, (Genesis 3:15) and Moses (Deuteronomy 18:15) spoke of.

PCY
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:33 PM
 
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Several entire denominations do not recognize the Trinity, or subscribe to the Jesus is God belief, and some of those are represented among our regular members. The existence of God and Jesus as the focus of Christianity is as far as this forum is going. We won't be excluding any Christians.
A tenet of Faith is that Yeshua is God in flesh.
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:34 PM
 
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LOL What's next; taking pot-shots at the Holy Spirit? He doesn't exist either right? It's open season on Christianity here. Enjoy your target practice.
The Holy Spirit is merely the spirit of G-d...Not a separate entity...
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:35 PM
 
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You left out . . . or what was ''preached'' by the apostles who were with Jesus during His entire ministry and who were given a commission to preach the gospel message, as well as Paul who encountered the risen Jesus. These are the men who wrote the New Testament and who stated that Jesus is God and who recorded Jesus' own statements about His deity.

As for Jesus' family, except for His mother Mary, His brothers and sisters appear not to have believed that Jesus was the Messiah until after His resurrection.
What about the Ebionites?...
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:37 PM
 
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A tenet of Faith is that Yeshua is God in flesh.
So, JWs aren’t Christians?...
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:39 PM
 
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Several entire denominations do not recognize the Trinity, or subscribe to the Jesus is God belief, and some of those are represented among our regular members. The existence of God and Jesus as the focus of Christianity is as far as this forum is going. We won't be excluding any Christians.
Who will shut the East Gate to preserve Life?

Hosea 13Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
13 “When Efrayim spoke, there was trembling;
he was a power in Isra’el.
But when he incurred guilt through Ba‘al,
he died.
2 So now they keep adding sin to sin,
casting images from their silver;
idols they invent for themselves,
all of them the work of craftsmen.
‘Sacrifice to them,’ they say.
Men give kisses to calves!
3 Therefore they will be like a morning cloud,
like the dew that disappears early,
like chaff blown by wind from the threshing-floor,
or like smoke that goes out the window.
4 Still, I am Adonai your God,
from the land of Egypt;
and you don’t know any God but me
or, other than me, any Savior.
5 I knew you in the desert,
in a land of terrible drought.
6 When they were fed, they were satisfied;
when satisfied, they became proud.
Therefore they forgot me.
7 So now I have become like a lion to them;
like a leopard I will lurk by the road;
8 I will meet them like a bear
whose cubs have been taken away.
I will tear their hearts from their bodies.
I will devour them there like a lion,
like a wild animal ripping them up.
9 It is your destruction, Isra’el,
although your help is in me.
10 So now, where is your king,
to save you in all your cities?
Where are your judges, of whom you said,
‘Give me a king and leaders’?
11 I gave you a king in my anger;
and in my fury I took him away.

12 “Efrayim’s guilt has been wrapped up,
his sin is stored away.
13 The pain of being born will come to him;
but he is an unwise son.
The time has come; and he shouldn’t delay,
there at the mouth of the womb.
14 Should I ransom them from the power of Sh’ol?
Should I redeem them from death?
Where are your plagues, death;
where is your destruction, Sh’ol?
My eyes are closed to compassion.
15 For though he flourishes among the reeds,
an east wind will come, a wind from Adonai,
blowing up from the desert.
Then his water source will dry up,
then his spring will fail —
it will plunder his treasury,
removing every precious thing.”
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:49 PM
 
Location: US
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Who will shut the East Gate to preserve Life?

Hosea 13Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
13 “When Efrayim spoke, there was trembling;
he was a power in Isra’el.
But when he incurred guilt through Ba‘al,
he died.
2 So now they keep adding sin to sin,
casting images from their silver;
idols they invent for themselves,
all of them the work of craftsmen.
‘Sacrifice to them,’ they say.
Men give kisses to calves!
3 Therefore they will be like a morning cloud,
like the dew that disappears early,
like chaff blown by wind from the threshing-floor,
or like smoke that goes out the window.
4 Still, I am Adonai your God,
from the land of Egypt;
and you don’t know any God but me
or, other than me, any Savior.
5 I knew you in the desert,
in a land of terrible drought.
6 When they were fed, they were satisfied;
when satisfied, they became proud.
Therefore they forgot me.
7 So now I have become like a lion to them;
like a leopard I will lurk by the road;
8 I will meet them like a bear
whose cubs have been taken away.
I will tear their hearts from their bodies.
I will devour them there like a lion,
like a wild animal ripping them up.
9 It is your destruction, Isra’el,
although your help is in me.
10 So now, where is your king,
to save you in all your cities?
Where are your judges, of whom you said,
‘Give me a king and leaders’?
11 I gave you a king in my anger;
and in my fury I took him away.

12 “Efrayim’s guilt has been wrapped up,
his sin is stored away.
13 The pain of being born will come to him;
but he is an unwise son.
The time has come; and he shouldn’t delay,
there at the mouth of the womb.
14 Should I ransom them from the power of Sh’ol?
Should I redeem them from death?
Where are your plagues, death;
where is your destruction, Sh’ol?
My eyes are closed to compassion.
15 For though he flourishes among the reeds,
an east wind will come, a wind from Adonai,
blowing up from the desert.
Then his water source will dry up,
then his spring will fail —
it will plunder his treasury,
removing every precious thing.”
What’s this have to do with what the moderator stated?...
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Without Jesus being Messiah and the Son of God, it isn't Christianity. Apparently, "Christianity" can now mean anything we want. Hey Kids! Mix and match your pieces to fit however you want. No limits to the combinations! Think of the endless fun. Yee haw!
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Old 01-02-2018, 02:05 PM
 
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Because a mere man would have inherited the sin nature, just like the rest of us. Jesus, as God in flesh, was sinless, which satisfies God’s holiness.
How do you make this doublespeak gobbledegook work for you jimmies?

Seriously
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Old 01-02-2018, 02:10 PM
 
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Everything that Jesus said was recorded by the New Testament writers. As was already shown, the New Testament writers quoted Jesus' statement pertaining to His deity. As well, the New Testament writers, John, Paul, the writer of Hebrews, all stated that Jesus is God.
Who was there recording jesus and the devil?




Matthew 4:1-11King James Version (KJV)

4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
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