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Just as Paul exercised his Roman citizenship to get himself out of one scrape, Paul himself said he became like a Jew when he appealed to the Jews. Everything you highlighted above was said OF Paul. Here's what Paul himself said:
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. (1 Corinthians 9:20) NIV
If he were still a Jew, not a Christian, he wouldn't have said that. The Council of Jerusalem is scripture. Council of Jerusalem, a conference of the Christian Apostles in Jerusalem in about 50 AD that decreed that Gentile Christians did not have to observe the Mosaic Law of the Jews. 15th Chapter of Acts.
Deal with it.
So your point is that Paul was a two faced lying coward who wouldn't admit that he was teaching against the law because of the fact they were going to kill him?
Again, you are showing a Paul as a wicked, EVIL false prophet AND LIAR in the face of thousands of Jewish believers who all became even more zealous to keep the law, and here was the coward Paul, PRETENDING that he was innocent of the charges brought about him?
Why would you choose to read the word of a coward who YOU SAY was lying and pretending to still be keeping the law?
Is that who you want to follow, a freaking coward who lies in the face of danger in order to save his own neck? Even if you do show him to be a liar and a pretender, you show him different than those thousands of Jewish believers who all became even more zealous to keep the laws of Moses.
Great post. Thank you. The two voices I heard in my mind were still small voices (no yelling or growls). They were short and to the point. I don't know what the dark paralysis was after the second voice, but after praying Jesus' name it went away. I read the Bible and try to live by Jesus' words. That is all I can do.
Since Jesus taught Scripture is religious truth at John 17:17 then we do well to think of Scripture as a manual guide to our immediate foot steps and a guiding light to brighten what is ahead of us - Psalm 119:105.
So your point is that Paul was a two faced lying coward who wouldn't admit that he was teaching against the law because of the fact they were going to kill him?
Again, you are showing a Paul as a wicked, EVIL false prophet AND LIAR in the face of thousands of Jewish believers who all became even more zealous to keep the law, and here was the coward Paul, PRETENDING that he was innocent of the charges brought about him?
Why would you choose to read the word of a coward who YOU SAY was lying and pretending to still be keeping the law?
Is that who you want to follow, a freaking coward who lies in the face of danger in order to save his own neck? Even if you do show him to be a liar and a pretender, you show him different than those thousands of Jewish believers who all became even more zealous to keep the laws of Moses.
LOL, what kind of person are you following?
GOOD GOD, make Paul out to be some scumbag?
Here's another word from Paul about Peter: But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. (Galatians 2:11).
Was Peter a scumbag?
A Pointed Departure: But when they came, he [Peter] began to withdraw (Gal. 2:12).
Instead of standing up for what he knew was right, Peter backed down from the party of the circumcision. He began to withdraw from the Gentile believers within the church at Antioch.
This action is described in an imperfect tense. This indicates that it was a gradual and continued action. Peter didn't stand up in the middle of dinner and walk out. He was much more tactful. He just stopped accepting dinner invitations from Gentiles. When Sunday morning rolled around, Peter was not in church. He was meeting with a group of Jewish believers.
Why did Peter do this? Was he abandoning what he had formerly believed? Had he changed his mind about the Law? Not at all. He did this because he was intimidated.
Peter had stood before the high priest in Jerusalem and had refused to stop preaching the gospel, though he was beaten and imprisoned and threatened with death. Herod Agrippa had actually sentenced Peter to death and it had only been because of an angelic jailbreak that he was still alive. In spite of all of these experiences, Peter was still afraid when it came to facing these legalistic Christian Jews.
You see, legalism can be very intimidating. It goes on in today's churches just as it did in the early church. People think that they are more spiritual if they dress a certain way, talk a certain way, and even carry a certain type of Bible. Then they measure the status of others according to this false standard.
Peter was afraid of what these Jewish Christians were going to think of him. He was afraid that they might carry negative reports about his behavior back to the Jerusalem church. And so he began to make a practice of separating himself from the Gentile believers.
4. A Pervasive Hypocrisy: And the rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy (2:13).
Peter's defection had a disastrous effect on the Antioch church. The reason for this is that all of the Jews in the church began to follow example. Peter was a natural leader. No matter what he did, people would follow him.
When Jesus asked His disciples who they thought He really was, it was Peter who acted as their spokesman.
When the gift of tongues was given at Pentecost, it was Peter who addressed the crowd that gathered.
And when Peter decided to go fishing after the resurrection, the disciples were quick to follow him, even though they had been instructed to remain in Jerusalem.
Once again we see people following Peter. The entire Jewish-Christian community began to follow his example of separation from the Gentile believers. Even Barnabas was swept up in this separation. The result was a giant split in the church.
To make matters worse, this involved a split over the eating of the Lord's Supper. The one place where unity should have been the most evident had now become the scene of division. Paul calls this action "hypocrisy." They were saying and believing one thing while they were doing another. They were preaching the gospel but they were not living the gospel. They were preaching that faith in Jesus Christ is sufficient for salvation, but they were living as though Gentiles were second-class Christians.
Peter and Barnabas knew better than to act like this. But they had been intimidated. Peter was intimidated by the disciples of James. Barnabas and the other Jewish Christians were intimidated by Peter's defection. By running away from the problem, Peter had created a far greater problem.
But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?" (Galatians 2:14).
Imagine the scene. Paul comes into church one Sunday and notices that there are no Jews present. He asks about the situation and someone tells him that all of the Jewish Christians are meeting down the street in a Jewish home. As the Gentile Christians hear this news, they begin to wonder whether faith is really enough for salvation. After all, isn't Peter demonstrating that followers of Christ are required to observe the Mosaic Law? And so, Paul is forced to act quickly if he is to save the unity of the church and the clarity of the gospel.
1. A Public Rebuke: I said to Cephas in the presence of all (2:14).
Now I want to ask you a question. Why did Paul confront Peter in the presence of all? Why did he rebuke Peter in public? Why didn't he go to Peter in private as he had in Jerusalem when he had presented his message to Peter and James and John?
I think that the answer is seen in the nature of Peter's sin. Peter had sinned in public. His defection had affected the entire church. His actions had resulted in splitting the church in two. Therefore, only by an equally public rebuke could the harmful effects of Peter's sin be remedied. The only way that the divided church could be brought back together was for the reproof of Peter to be made manifest to the entire church.
A Penetrating Question: "How is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?" (2:14).
Peter was a Jew. He had been raised to live like a Jew. He had once kept all of the Jewish rituals of Judaism. But he has been given a revelation from God and all of that has changed. Since that time, he has been living like the Gentiles. Since that time, he has been going into Gentile homes and having fellowship with Gentiles and eating with Gentiles. This is not the way an Orthodox Jew lives. This is the way a Gentile lives. Peter has been living like a Gentile.
But now Peter had begun to separate from Gentile believers because they did not follow the ceremonial ritual washings and eating habits of the Jews. He does not want to be caught eating Gentile food contrary to the Laws of the Jews. This means that if Gentile believers was to remain in contact with Peter, they are going to have to take up a Jewish lifestyle. They are going to get the idea that living like a Gentile and not keeping the Mosaic Law will make them a "second-class Christian."
In effect, Peter is insisting that Gentiles must live as Jews live, even though he himself has not been living as Jews live. And so, Paul points out Peter's inconsistency.
There is an important lesson of which we need to take note. It is that even great people of God still make mistakes. God's Word is infallible, but God's people are not. They make mistakes.
Sometimes their mistakes are made in private. But sometimes, as is the case with Peter, their mistakes are out in the open for everyone to see. This means that you are going to be hurt and misdirected and led astray if you keep your eyes on people rather than on the Lord.
Here's another word from Paul about Peter: But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. (Galatians 2:11).
Was Peter a scumbag?
A Pointed Departure: But when they came, he [Peter] began to withdraw (Gal. 2:12).
Instead of standing up for what he knew was right, Peter backed down from the party of the circumcision. He began to withdraw from the Gentile believers within the church at Antioch.
This action is described in an imperfect tense. This indicates that it was a gradual and continued action. Peter didn't stand up in the middle of dinner and walk out. He was much more tactful. He just stopped accepting dinner invitations from Gentiles. When Sunday morning rolled around, Peter was not in church. He was meeting with a group of Jewish believers.
Why did Peter do this? Was he abandoning what he had formerly believed? Had he changed his mind about the Law? Not at all. He did this because he was intimidated.
Peter had stood before the high priest in Jerusalem and had refused to stop preaching the gospel, though he was beaten and imprisoned and threatened with death. Herod Agrippa had actually sentenced Peter to death and it had only been because of an angelic jailbreak that he was still alive. In spite of all of these experiences, Peter was still afraid when it came to facing these legalistic Christian Jews.
You see, legalism can be very intimidating. It goes on in today's churches just as it did in the early church. People think that they are more spiritual if they dress a certain way, talk a certain way, and even carry a certain type of Bible. Then they measure the status of others according to this false standard.
Peter was afraid of what these Jewish Christians were going to think of him. He was afraid that they might carry negative reports about his behavior back to the Jerusalem church. And so he began to make a practice of separating himself from the Gentile believers.
4. A Pervasive Hypocrisy: And the rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy (2:13).
Peter's defection had a disastrous effect on the Antioch church. The reason for this is that all of the Jews in the church began to follow example. Peter was a natural leader. No matter what he did, people would follow him.
When Jesus asked His disciples who they thought He really was, it was Peter who acted as their spokesman.
When the gift of tongues was given at Pentecost, it was Peter who addressed the crowd that gathered.
And when Peter decided to go fishing after the resurrection, the disciples were quick to follow him, even though they had been instructed to remain in Jerusalem.
Once again we see people following Peter. The entire Jewish-Christian community began to follow his example of separation from the Gentile believers. Even Barnabas was swept up in this separation. The result was a giant split in the church.
To make matters worse, this involved a split over the eating of the Lord's Supper. The one place where unity should have been the most evident had now become the scene of division. Paul calls this action "hypocrisy." They were saying and believing one thing while they were doing another. They were preaching the gospel but they were not living the gospel. They were preaching that faith in Jesus Christ is sufficient for salvation, but they were living as though Gentiles were second-class Christians.
Peter and Barnabas knew better than to act like this. But they had been intimidated. Peter was intimidated by the disciples of James. Barnabas and the other Jewish Christians were intimidated by Peter's defection. By running away from the problem, Peter had created a far greater problem.
But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?" (Galatians 2:14).
Imagine the scene. Paul comes into church one Sunday and notices that there are no Jews present. He asks about the situation and someone tells him that all of the Jewish Christians are meeting down the street in a Jewish home. As the Gentile Christians hear this news, they begin to wonder whether faith is really enough for salvation. After all, isn't Peter demonstrating that followers of Christ are required to observe the Mosaic Law? And so, Paul is forced to act quickly if he is to save the unity of the church and the clarity of the gospel.
1. A Public Rebuke: I said to Cephas in the presence of all (2:14).
Now I want to ask you a question. Why did Paul confront Peter in the presence of all? Why did he rebuke Peter in public? Why didn't he go to Peter in private as he had in Jerusalem when he had presented his message to Peter and James and John?
I think that the answer is seen in the nature of Peter's sin. Peter had sinned in public. His defection had affected the entire church. His actions had resulted in splitting the church in two. Therefore, only by an equally public rebuke could the harmful effects of Peter's sin be remedied. The only way that the divided church could be brought back together was for the reproof of Peter to be made manifest to the entire church.
A Penetrating Question: "How is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?" (2:14).
Peter was a Jew. He had been raised to live like a Jew. He had once kept all of the Jewish rituals of Judaism. But he has been given a revelation from God and all of that has changed. Since that time, he has been living like the Gentiles. Since that time, he has been going into Gentile homes and having fellowship with Gentiles and eating with Gentiles. This is not the way an Orthodox Jew lives. This is the way a Gentile lives. Peter has been living like a Gentile.
But now Peter had begun to separate from Gentile believers because they did not follow the ceremonial ritual washings and eating habits of the Jews. He does not want to be caught eating Gentile food contrary to the Laws of the Jews. This means that if Gentile believers was to remain in contact with Peter, they are going to have to take up a Jewish lifestyle. They are going to get the idea that living like a Gentile and not keeping the Mosaic Law will make them a "second-class Christian."
In effect, Peter is insisting that Gentiles must live as Jews live, even though he himself has not been living as Jews live. And so, Paul points out Peter's inconsistency.
There is an important lesson of which we need to take note. It is that even great people of God still make mistakes. God's Word is infallible, but God's people are not. They make mistakes.
Sometimes their mistakes are made in private. But sometimes, as is the case with Peter, their mistakes are out in the open for everyone to see. This means that you are going to be hurt and misdirected and led astray if you keep your eyes on people rather than on the Lord.
Until you understand that the religion you are talking about is Judaism, and then you delve into the language of Judaism, you will never understand what you are reading in Galatians, but BY ALL MEANS, if you have found Paul saying something that contradicts what Jesus said, you should make up your mind who you will stand with. If you show a Paul who left Judaism, and who stopped keeping the laws of Moses, then you just show him to be a two faced liar once again because of what he proved in Acts 21.
When you begin to read a book on Judaism and you come in with biasness against Judaism, you are always going to have very BOLD CONTRADICTIONS because of the fact that Christianity was a legal sect of Judaism, and there is no way for you to change this historical fact.
You begin in your bias from a religion created and invented over 100 years after Jesus died, and it wasn't till 325 A.D. that they finally wrote into law how they converted to ancient pagan religions because of their hate for Jews, their hate against Jews was so bad that they were willing to throw everything of God and Messiah right out the window.
You come with this Anti-Semitic, Anti-God, Anti-Messiah mentality from a religion created a century after Jesus died and with this biasness against Judaism, you are reading a book written to converts of Judaism and acting as if those disciples were not converts of Judaism.
Those disciples were not lawless pagan Gentile, they began studying the law and the prophets and they started walking in Judaism just as our Lord came walking in Judaism, and how are you going to present a Jew as a Passover lamb from a pagan religion that doesn't even keep the Passover of our Lord?
Jesus came as the long awaited Messiah of Judaism and every Christian is trying to show him to be a lawless false prophet who deserved to die as if you all like to keep telling the same lies and rumors that killed Stephen and almost killed Paul.
Liars were PAID to say that Stephen was teaching Jews not to keep the customs of Moses and not to circumcise their children, LIARS said the same thing about Paul, are you going to present a lawless Paul who was a false prophet who deserved death?
You going to somehow show that the liars who witnessed against Stephen were actually telling the truth like they were going around teaching a Jew not to be a Jew?
HELLO!!!!!!
Christians get a pass because they aren't born in the same culture and heritage of a Jew but because you think you have this grand pass, you think you can decide that what is good for you, is GOOD FOR A JEW?
God demands that his chosen people keep his precepts, his commandments, and YOU AREN'T GOD'S PEOPLE, do you think that a Jew should stop being a Jew and forget all his culture and heritage that he loves, that ANY TRIBAL MEMBER WOULD LOVE?
You think you got a pass on the law because the Jew became so much more zealous to keep the laws and the gentiles were trying to catch up and so a decision was made,'' SHOULD THE GENTILE KEEP ALL THE CULTURE AND HERITAGE A JEW CONTINUES TO KEEP?''
The Jewish believer never stopped walking in Judaism, the Jewish believer was proud of his heritage and culture, and for a Gentile to try and make his culture a sin to keep, well that is just a wicked Gentile, and EVERYTIME a Gentile speaks against keeping any of the laws of Moses, he sure better not be talking to a Jew.
Christians act like people who would walk into a sacred gathering of Indians at a tribal meeting amongst the fires, and the Gentile comes in saying,'' You shall stop meeting at your fire gatherings, and you shall stop doing all the traditions that make you Indians, and we will put you on a train and make you a Gentile.''
This is how the Gentile speaks against the Jew and his law, they try and take a person's culture and heritage away from him and they continuously speak about keeping the commandments as if it were some unrighteous thing to do, and although the Gentile is given a pass on the law, he thinks his pass should also apply to the Jew as if he desires to turn the Jew into a Gentile, and what sort of WICKED JEW would do something like this?
When you present a Jew speaking against Jewish culture and heritage, I don't think you realize the light you are putting Paul and Stephen in.
LIARS were paid to show a TREASONOUS Stephen and a traitor in Paul and if those liars and rumors had been correct, they would have been the most wicked and hated Jews who were every born as if they went around teaching a Jew to give up his own culture.
WE HAVE THE TRUTH, Paul was brought into court time and time again from this same kind of slander and he proved that he never left Judaism and you still convict him of being a traitor to his own people and his own God.
You should try reading Galatians with Jewish eyes where you actually understand Jewish idioms and terms about the Sabbaths.
What we have is a bunch of Gentiles reading about a religion with no knowledge of the religion they are reading about. Learn all the laws of the Sabbaths and the language of Judaism and you will have a much better chance of understanding the New Testament.
Example, We read,'' Come up boldly to the throne of Grace.''
This one saying is done on one exact day and it is done every single year by people who have converted to Judaism, it cannot be said by people who have not converted to Judaism. EVERY Year on Rosh Hashanah, you are sealed in your forehead for keeping the Sabbaths and 7 feasts of the Lord beginning with Unleavened bread, you are sealed and protected against Yom Kippur because you accept the feasts of God and are able to enter into the temple proper EVEN to the throne of grace because you are Israel, and you are Israel because you love the Sabbaths, feasts and the laws, and you are a Gentile convert, as it was said to gentile converts of Judaism. We are to keep these days in spirit and in truth, not as though we had to keep all the laws, but that we remember the truth of what they meant when they pointed to Jesus, we are to accept them and learn them, and even if we never keep them, we can accept the ways of other Gods to replace them. We can't take the ways of Babylon because we love Jesus, and we teach Jesus in his 7 missions, what the feast really pointed to.
Because you have done what it takes to gain an inheritance in Israel, you are sealed by the holy days you keep, and because you accept God's holy days, you have an inheritance in Israel and this is the only way you are allowed entrance into the temple on Yom Kippur to come up boldly to the throne, and you come BOLDLY because YOU LNOW the promise of God in Exodus 13, and you rely on God's promise that he has sealed your forehead against the one day you approach the throne. If you are not a convert to Judaism and sealed in your forehead, YOU WILL NEVER approach the throne, you remain in the outer court of Gentile because you chose to remain a Gentile.
Shouldn't people learn the religion they are speaking of every day? Why do they call the Temple the house of Trumpets?
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Jesus Christ's direct teaching of Paul (Galatians 1:11-12) and the Jerusalem acceptance of Paul's gospel (Galatians 1:22-24;2:7-10) powerfully refutes the Judaizers' claims against him.
Jesus Christ had communicated everything to him in person. He was also careful to assure his readership that the pillars of the church in Jerusalem had recognized its truth and his right to preach it in its present form.
In 70 AD the Temple went up in flames. If the Temple had gone down before Paul died he would have had less trouble with Judiazers wanting to Gentiles to become just another sect of Jews. Paul would have had a much easier time. But, as is was, not having an easy time, he went on his travels around the Mediterranean.
Good Lord, man, look around you! Billions of Christians and 17 million Jews. Why have the Jews failed? Inculturation: they refused to do it (they had become the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Amish of their day).
The coexistence of Christianity and other cultures dates back to the apostolic age. Before his Ascension, Jesus instructed his disciples to spread his teachings to the ends of the earth (Mt 28,18; Mk 16,15) but did not tell them how. Saint Paul's speech to the Greeks at the Aeropagus of Athens (Acts 17:22-33) could be considered as the first inculturation attempt. The speech was not well received by all, according to verse 32: "Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked". Around the year 50, the apostles convened the first Church council, the Council of Jerusalem, to decide whether to include Gentiles and inculturate Gentile culture. The Council confirmed that Gentiles could be accepted as Christians without first converting to Judaism.
To paraphrase Jesus: Quit beating your head against a wall.
OP, I know that Satan can NEVER speak to you and tell you to do something that is good. He can't do that. It is certainly not in his nature. Neither is it in him to give you peace. I do believe that the Lord is seeing your sincere efforts to get to know him. Whatever thoughts come into your mind ask yourself, is it a thought that brings me to do good? Is it an action I should take that'll bring me peace? Why should I do that, it kinda sounds dumb? But if it won't hurt anything, then just do it and see what happens. Why not? You never know right?
The scriptures are another way that he will speak to you. Prayer is your form of talking to him.
I too sometimes wonder if a certain thought is mine or comes from God. But I have come to realize that if it leads me to do something good then it doesn't matter if it is mine ir His, I know that I am doing good.
Is anybody brave enough to come and lay hands on my grandson because they know they can pray and get a healing?
Really, it isn't happening, why do we try and pretend that somebody has the power of the Holy spirit, and THEY KNOW that can't lay hands on anyone and expect a miracle. If anyone has the Holy spirit, and they think they have the power of the Holy spirit, then let them heal my family members.
Where O where is the great healer?
Did you call a doctor?
The Kingdom of Heaven is a structure of authority. So too, is the kingdom of satan. Authority structures are a part of the social fabric of any group of beings - from the ant to the angel. One must avail one's self of this authority structure so as to obtain instruction, salvation, and the necessities of life.
If you've got a rotten tooth in your head, chances are that a dentist will be able to solve the problem.
If you've got a leaky pipe, a plumber should be called.
If your neighbor is a pain in the neck, call a lawyer.
Any consideration in the path of life really ought to be directed to the appropriate authority.
Prayer is an absolute necessity. Always. In these days of shoddy - shoddy goods, shoddy services and shoddy government, prayer is more necessary than in days past. One NEEDS prayer for direction to appropriate, honest, professional quality persons and organizations for any situation.
Get down on your knees and pray for guidance. Then get up on your feet and seek it out.
Miraculous healing is a special dispensation of grace by the throne of heaven for a special purpose. One can discover a miracle if one knows where to look....
In these days of shoddy, is not the discovery of a good doctor (or mechanic or carpenter or plumber or lawyer) a thing of miraculous proportion?
and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
PS
Talk to a Christian professional. I'll be willing to bet you a nickel that you'll hear stories of times when THEY were guided into making a good decision for their clients or patients. Therein lies the mystery of the grace of God. It isn't restricted to one type of manifestation. Generally speaking it adheres to the divinely appointed authority structure.
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So your point is that Paul was a two faced lying coward who wouldn't admit that he was teaching against the law because of the fact they were going to kill him?
Again, you are showing a Paul as a wicked, EVIL false prophet AND LIAR in the face of thousands of Jewish believers who all became even more zealous to keep the law, and here was the coward Paul, PRETENDING that he was innocent of the charges brought about him?
Why would you choose to read the word of a coward who YOU SAY was lying and pretending to still be keeping the law?
Is that who you want to follow, a freaking coward who lies in the face of danger in order to save his own neck? Even if you do show him to be a liar and a pretender, you show him different than those thousands of Jewish believers who all became even more zealous to keep the laws of Moses.
LOL, what kind of person are you following?
GOOD GOD, make Paul out to be some scumbag?
Why yes I am as well..Paulie was all that and less...
Just as Paul exercised his Roman citizenship to get himself out of one scrape, Paul himself said he became like a Jew when he appealed to the Jews. Everything you highlighted above was said OF Paul. Here's what Paul himself said:
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. (1 Corinthians 9:20) NIV
If he were still a Jew, not a Christian, he wouldn't have said that. The Council of Jerusalem is scripture. Council of Jerusalem, a conference of the Christian Apostles in Jerusalem in about 50 AD that decreed that Gentile Christians did not have to observe the Mosaic Law of the Jews. 15th Chapter of Acts.
Deal with it.
Act 15:7* and there having been much disputing, Peter having risen up said unto them, 'Men, brethren, ye know that from former days, God among us did make choice, through my mouth, for the nations to hear the word of the good news, and to believe;*
So, here is Peter claiming the privilege of taking the Gospel to the nations [Gentiles]...
So, either Peter is a liar or Paul is a liar...
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