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Act 15:7* and there having been much disputing, Peter having risen up said unto them, 'Men, brethren, ye know that from former days, God among us did make choice, through my mouth, for the nations to hear the word of the good news, and to believe;*
So, here is Peter claiming the privilege of taking the Gospel to the nations [Gentiles]...
So, either Peter is a liar or Paul is a liar...
In context we read that Peter knew what Paul was up to. Paul took with him on his journeys to the Gentiles the blessings of Peter and the whole church:
15 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question.
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them.
22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.
36 Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing.” 37 Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, 38 but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work. 39 They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, 40 but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord. 41 He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.
Before this we read in Acts 10 about Peter and the Gentiles:
While Peter was still speaking these words the Holy Spirit fell upon all who were listening to his message. The Jewish believers who had come with Peter were absolutely amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit was being poured out on Gentiles also; for they heard them speaking in foreign tongues and glorifying God.
Then Peter exclaimed, “Could anyone refuse water or object to these men being baptised—men who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did ourselves?”
As I recall, the Catholic Church doesn't have a feast day for Peter or Paul, but they have the Feast of Saints Peter AND Paul.
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In context we read that Peter knew what Paul was up to. Paul took with him on his journeys to the Gentiles the blessings of Peter and the whole church:
15 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question.
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them.
22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.
36 Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing.” 37 Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, 38 but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work. 39 They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, 40 but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord. 41 He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.
Before this we read in Acts 10 about Peter and the Gentiles:
While Peter was still speaking these words the Holy Spirit fell upon all who were listening to his message. The Jewish believers who had come with Peter were absolutely amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit was being poured out on Gentiles also; for they heard them speaking in foreign tongues and glorifying God.
Then Peter exclaimed, “Could anyone refuse water or object to these men being baptised—men who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did ourselves?”
As I recall, the Catholic Church doesn't have a feast day for Peter or Paul, but they have the Feast of Saints Peter AND Paul.
In context we read that Peter knew what Paul was up to. Paul took with him on his journeys to the Gentiles the blessings of Peter and the whole church:.
In context we read that Peter made the claim that he was chosen by the spirit of G-d that through his mouth the gospel will be preached to the Nations and they will believe...Notice that Paul was merely a worker, leaves there with some letters to the church, along with two fellows from the Jerusalem council or trusted by the council because it is obvious that Paul was not the large and in charge person, nor an apostle that he later began to claim that he was...Even in Revelation there are only 12 apostles mentioned and not 13...So, how does Paul fit into this?...
Until you understand that the religion you are talking about is Judaism, and then you delve into the language of Judaism, you will never understand what you are reading in Galatians, but BY ALL MEANS, if you have found Paul saying something that contradicts what Jesus said, you should make up your mind who you will stand with. If you show a Paul who left Judaism, and who stopped keeping the laws of Moses, then you just show him to be a two faced liar once again because of what he proved in Acts 21.
When you begin to read a book on Judaism and you come in with biasness against Judaism, you are always going to have very BOLD CONTRADICTIONS because of the fact that Christianity was a legal sect of Judaism, and there is no way for you to change this historical fact.
You begin in your bias from a religion created and invented over 100 years after Jesus died, and it wasn't till 325 A.D. that they finally wrote into law how they converted to ancient pagan religions because of their hate for Jews, their hate against Jews was so bad that they were willing to throw everything of God and Messiah right out the window.
You come with this Anti-Semitic, Anti-God, Anti-Messiah mentality from a religion created a century after Jesus died and with this biasness against Judaism, you are reading a book written to converts of Judaism and acting as if those disciples were not converts of Judaism.
Those disciples were not lawless pagan Gentile, they began studying the law and the prophets and they started walking in Judaism just as our Lord came walking in Judaism, and how are you going to present a Jew as a Passover lamb from a pagan religion that doesn't even keep the Passover of our Lord?
Jesus came as the long awaited Messiah of Judaism and every Christian is trying to show him to be a lawless false prophet who deserved to die as if you all like to keep telling the same lies and rumors that killed Stephen and almost killed Paul.
Liars were PAID to say that Stephen was teaching Jews not to keep the customs of Moses and not to circumcise their children, LIARS said the same thing about Paul, are you going to present a lawless Paul who was a false prophet who deserved death?
You going to somehow show that the liars who witnessed against Stephen were actually telling the truth like they were going around teaching a Jew not to be a Jew?
HELLO!!!!!!
Christians get a pass because they aren't born in the same culture and heritage of a Jew but because you think you have this grand pass, you think you can decide that what is good for you, is GOOD FOR A JEW?
God demands that his chosen people keep his precepts, his commandments, and YOU AREN'T GOD'S PEOPLE, do you think that a Jew should stop being a Jew and forget all his culture and heritage that he loves, that ANY TRIBAL MEMBER WOULD LOVE?
You think you got a pass on the law because the Jew became so much more zealous to keep the laws and the gentiles were trying to catch up and so a decision was made,'' SHOULD THE GENTILE KEEP ALL THE CULTURE AND HERITAGE A JEW CONTINUES TO KEEP?''
The Jewish believer never stopped walking in Judaism, the Jewish believer was proud of his heritage and culture, and for a Gentile to try and make his culture a sin to keep, well that is just a wicked Gentile, and EVERYTIME a Gentile speaks against keeping any of the laws of Moses, he sure better not be talking to a Jew.
Christians act like people who would walk into a sacred gathering of Indians at a tribal meeting amongst the fires, and the Gentile comes in saying,'' You shall stop meeting at your fire gatherings, and you shall stop doing all the traditions that make you Indians, and we will put you on a train and make you a Gentile.''
This is how the Gentile speaks against the Jew and his law, they try and take a person's culture and heritage away from him and they continuously speak about keeping the commandments as if it were some unrighteous thing to do, and although the Gentile is given a pass on the law, he thinks his pass should also apply to the Jew as if he desires to turn the Jew into a Gentile, and what sort of WICKED JEW would do something like this?
When you present a Jew speaking against Jewish culture and heritage, I don't think you realize the light you are putting Paul and Stephen in.
LIARS were paid to show a TREASONOUS Stephen and a traitor in Paul and if those liars and rumors had been correct, they would have been the most wicked and hated Jews who were every born as if they went around teaching a Jew to give up his own culture.
WE HAVE THE TRUTH, Paul was brought into court time and time again from this same kind of slander and he proved that he never left Judaism and you still convict him of being a traitor to his own people and his own God.
In context we read that Peter made the claim that he was chosen by the spirit of G-d that through his mouth the gospel will be preached to the Nations and they will believe...Notice that Paul was merely a worker, leaves there with some letters to the church, along with two fellows from the Jerusalem council or trusted by the council because it is obvious that Paul was not the large and in charge person, nor an apostle that he later began to claim that he was...Even in Revelation there are only 12 apostles mentioned and not 13...So, how does Paul fit into this?...
An apostle by definition of the word is
1 : one sent on a mission: such as
a : one of an authoritative New Testament group sent out to preach the gospel and made up especially of Christ's 12 original disciples and Paul
b : the first prominent Christian missionary to a region or group St. Boniface, the Apostle of Germany
Jesus taught Saul/ Paul and here we have the Holy Spirit
Acts 13:2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 Then after fasting and praying they laid their hands on them and sent them off.
Here we have Paul demonstrating the power of an Apostle
5 When they arrived at Salamis, they proclaimed the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews. And they had John to assist them. 6 When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they came upon a certain magician, a Jewish false prophet named Bar-Jesus. 7 He was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence, who summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. 8 But Elymas the magician (for that is the meaning of his name) opposed them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. 9 But Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him 10 and said, “You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord? 11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you will be blind and unable to see the sun for a time.” Immediately mist and darkness fell upon him, and he went about seeking people to lead him by the hand. 12 Then the proconsul believed, when he saw what had occurred, for he was astonished at the teaching of the Lord.
Christianity is the arbiter of its canon and founders; Paul was considered early on as being equal with Peter.
Isn't your seat on the Judaism forum getting cold?
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. (1 Corinthians 9:20) NIV
If he were still a Jew, not a Christian, he wouldn't have said that. The Council of Jerusalem is scripture. Council of Jerusalem, a conference of the Christian Apostles in Jerusalem in about 50 AD that decreed that Gentile Christians did not have to observe the Mosaic Law of the Jews. 15th Chapter of Acts.
Deal with it.
who told you that a Jewish person couldn't be a "Christian?" Jesus PICKED Paul to follow him! this is why we need to be taught, the scriptures, not just read it ,(Acts 8:26-40) ,see verses 30,31 "So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?”
And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him).
we'll end up believing what we think it means instead of allowing Jehovah and Jesus guidance (Pro. 3:5,6 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths).sadly some do not understand what was read. verse 22 shows that Paul said he would become "WEAK" like those who were. you forgot to post that verse Paul was basically saying that he would ALLOW himself to understand one's situation. by mentally putting himself in their shoes, so that he might be able to bring them to Jesus. he wanted them to learn and accept the truth so that they may gain life!
he finish verse 22 with "to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some". Paul who at one time believed Jesus teachings were wrong and his being right. who had his hand in having Jesus followers, "THE WAY", arrested. and even Steven stone to death, became a true follower of Jesus.
Until you understand that the religion you are talking about is Judaism, and then you delve into the language of Judaism, you will never understand what you are reading in Galatians, but BY ALL MEANS, if you have found Paul saying something that contradicts what Jesus said, you should make up your mind who you will stand with. If you show a Paul who left Judaism, and who stopped keeping the laws of Moses, then you just show him to be a two faced liar once again because of what he proved in Acts 21.
When you begin to read a book on Judaism and you come in with biasness against Judaism, you are always going to have very BOLD CONTRADICTIONS because of the fact that Christianity was a legal sect of Judaism, and there is no way for you to change this historical fact.
You begin in your bias from a religion created and invented over 100 years after Jesus died, and it wasn't till 325 A.D. that they finally wrote into law how they converted to ancient pagan religions because of their hate for Jews, their hate against Jews was so bad that they were willing to throw everything of God and Messiah right out the window.
You come with this Anti-Semitic, Anti-God, Anti-Messiah mentality from a religion created a century after Jesus died and with this biasness against Judaism, you are reading a book written to converts of Judaism and acting as if those disciples were not converts of Judaism.
Those disciples were not lawless pagan Gentile, they began studying the law and the prophets and they started walking in Judaism just as our Lord came walking in Judaism, and how are you going to present a Jew as a Passover lamb from a pagan religion that doesn't even keep the Passover of our Lord?
Jesus came as the long awaited Messiah of Judaism and every Christian is trying to show him to be a lawless false prophet who deserved to die as if you all like to keep telling the same lies and rumors that killed Stephen and almost killed Paul.
Liars were PAID to say that Stephen was teaching Jews not to keep the customs of Moses and not to circumcise their children, LIARS said the same thing about Paul, are you going to present a lawless Paul who was a false prophet who deserved death?
You going to somehow show that the liars who witnessed against Stephen were actually telling the truth like they were going around teaching a Jew not to be a Jew?
HELLO!!!!!!
Christians get a pass because they aren't born in the same culture and heritage of a Jew but because you think you have this grand pass, you think you can decide that what is good for you, is GOOD FOR A JEW?
God demands that his chosen people keep his precepts, his commandments, and YOU AREN'T GOD'S PEOPLE, do you think that a Jew should stop being a Jew and forget all his culture and heritage that he loves, that ANY TRIBAL MEMBER WOULD LOVE?
You think you got a pass on the law because the Jew became so much more zealous to keep the laws and the gentiles were trying to catch up and so a decision was made,'' SHOULD THE GENTILE KEEP ALL THE CULTURE AND HERITAGE A JEW CONTINUES TO KEEP?''
The Jewish believer never stopped walking in Judaism, the Jewish believer was proud of his heritage and culture, and for a Gentile to try and make his culture a sin to keep, well that is just a wicked Gentile, and EVERYTIME a Gentile speaks against keeping any of the laws of Moses, he sure better not be talking to a Jew.
Christians act like people who would walk into a sacred gathering of Indians at a tribal meeting amongst the fires, and the Gentile comes in saying,'' You shall stop meeting at your fire gatherings, and you shall stop doing all the traditions that make you Indians, and we will put you on a train and make you a Gentile.''
This is how the Gentile speaks against the Jew and his law, they try and take a person's culture and heritage away from him and they continuously speak about keeping the commandments as if it were some unrighteous thing to do, and although the Gentile is given a pass on the law, he thinks his pass should also apply to the Jew as if he desires to turn the Jew into a Gentile, and what sort of WICKED JEW would do something like this?
When you present a Jew speaking against Jewish culture and heritage, I don't think you realize the light you are putting Paul and Stephen in.
LIARS were paid to show a TREASONOUS Stephen and a traitor in Paul and if those liars and rumors had been correct, they would have been the most wicked and hated Jews who were every born as if they went around teaching a Jew to give up his own culture.
WE HAVE THE TRUTH, Paul was brought into court time and time again from this same kind of slander and he proved that he never left Judaism and you still convict him of being a traitor to his own people and his own God.
I can hear the trains rolling.
So can I....
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Jesus PICKED Paul to follow him! this is why we need to be taught, the scriptures, not just read it ,(Acts 8:26-40) ,see verses 30,31 "So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?”
Paul was basically saying that he would ALLOW himself to understand one's situation. by mentally putting himself in their shoes, so that he might be able to bring them to Jesus. he wanted them to learn and accept the truth so that they may gain life! 
So can I....
