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Old 03-28-2018, 04:18 PM
 
Location: New England
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LOL! There is so much scripture dealing with this subject, it would take weeks to read and study it all. Start with this:

https://www.gotquestions.org/propitiation.html
If there is so much you really do not need to be linking it, you should be at the very least able to explain in a brief clear and conscise way with scripture what you are "convinced of".

So, just to help you out, knowing the base teaching of bible fundamentalism, start with God is righteous and cannot allow sin to go unpunished and he "derived a way out" for those who believed in him. Fill out that brief description with harmonizing clear and to the point scripture that would fill that brief description in to support your belief.
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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If there is so much you really do not need to be linking it, you should be at the very least able to explain in a brief clear and conscise way with scripture what you are "convinced of".

So, just to help you out, knowing the base teaching of bible fundamentalism, start with God is righteous and cannot allow sin to go unpunished and he "derived a way out" for those who believed in him. Fill out that brief description with harmonizing clear and to the point scripture that would fill that brief description in to support your belief.
No.
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:31 PM
 
Location: New England
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No.
No what?. You are not willing or not able to do such a thing you are convinced of is scriptural
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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No what?. You are not willing or not able to do such a thing you are convinced of is scriptural
I already did. You’re deflecting.
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Old 03-28-2018, 05:09 PM
 
Location: New England
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I already did. You’re deflecting.
No, you provided a link and a quote by a bloke called John Piper. I am asking you to give me a scriptural reason why you believe what you are saying to me. What am i deflecting?, did you ask me something?.
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Old 03-28-2018, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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No, you provided a link and a quote by a bloke called John Piper. I am asking you to give me a scriptural reason why you believe what you are saying to me. What am i deflecting?, did you ask me something?.
And you are unwilling to look at the link. It’s a 3 minute read with multiple scripture passages that address your point.
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Old 03-28-2018, 05:40 PM
 
Location: New England
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And you are unwilling to look at the link. It’s a 3 minute read with multiple scripture passages that address your point.
I would rather be honest to you and admit i have no intention or desire to look at a link that basically is going to remind me of all that i left behind because it didn't add up or harmonize. I half helped you by putting a sentence together that all you needed to do was fill in the blanks. You are not convinced about what you believe, if you was, it would roll off your tongue, so you rely on something else to say what you can't say for yourself.

You believe God is righteous and cannot commune with sinful man (there is no scriptural basis for this), that God being righteous needs to punish sinful man(No scriptural basis for this too), but because he loves man was stuck with a problem of saving man from his(God's) own wrath(are you listening to what you actually believe) that he(man) deserves because he is sinful, so he derived a plan to save them from his own wrath by punishing his own son instead and by simply believing this you are saved from his wrath which inevitably ends up putting you in eternal hell to suffer a fete worse than his wrath if you cannot believe this. Notice i never supported any of this with scripture?.

So the big question that i am asking you is why you are equating God being righteous and holy with wrath?. What you are saying is A righteous holy God needs to punish the sin of sinful man before he can commune with him.
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Old 03-28-2018, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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I would rather be honest to you and admit i have no intention or desire to look at a link that basically is going to remind me of all that i left behind because it didn't add up or harmonize. I half helped you by putting a sentence together that all you needed to do was fill in the blanks. You are not convinced about what you believe, if you was, it would roll off your tongue, so you rely on something else to say what you can't say for yourself.

You believe God is righteous and cannot commune with sinful man (there is no scriptural basis for this), that God being righteous needs to punish sinful man(No scriptural basis for this too), but because he loves man was stuck with a problem of saving man from his(God's) own wrath(are you listening to what you actually believe) that he(man) deserves because he is sinful, so he derived a plan to save them from his own wrath by punishing his own son instead and by simply believing this you are saved from his wrath which inevitably ends up putting you in eternal hell to suffer a fete worse than his wrath if you cannot believe this. Notice i never supported any of this with scripture?.
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Old 03-28-2018, 06:17 PM
 
Location: in a galaxy far far away
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I've heard that too. I plan on seeing it since I really like the song that inspired the film.

A little disappointed in the Fox News article, though. Naturally, in today's culture it must be about politics. What a shame they missed an opportunity to delve into the intent of the film and the song - which Bart Millard wrote about his deceased father.

Hope you get a chance to see the film. I'd like to recommend another one coming out this weekend, as well. God's Not Dead: A Light In Darkness. If you've seen the previous two, you have a pretty good idea as to what this one will center on.
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Old 03-29-2018, 02:20 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Obviously, there is more to the story. However, I do not believe that being told that someone loves you is offensive, but it does hurt when you have never felt that love. Knowing that someone actually loves you takes more than just being told, "Jesus loves you." And the idea that you are loved, after being convinced of the opposite most of your life can cut deeply.
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Why don't you pick up the phone and call him a liar. Of course that would make Jesus a liar too for saying "Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil".

The light touched Nicky, and he hated it.

But God drew him towards Him and enables him to overcome, which he did some days later.

Why are there so many posters so amazed by this story that they say it can't be true.
"You could cut me in a thousand pieces and lay them out in the street; and every piece would love you."
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