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Old 04-16-2018, 03:08 PM
 
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Yes, but that does NOT mean we are free of constraints. We still have to choose among options under constraints. We reap the consequences of ignoring any constraints.
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:09 PM
 
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The type of pain hell is known for though, should not even be possible. We are told we loose our physical bodies upon death and become pure spirits...

So how can there be 'gnashing of teeth', wailing, screaming and crying, when any souls that are in hell, do not have teeth, mouths or vocal chords?
Bible states we actually do get coporeal bodies in eternity. We are made to be spiritual and physical beings.

Jesus talks of Lazarus and the rich man when both died. Lazarus went to paradise and the rich man ended in Hades. The rich man is in agony and wishes water to cool his thirst. That is a physical event. Many say it is nothing more than a parable. Sometimes I wonder if they are actual events.
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Old 04-16-2018, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Jesus talks of Lazarus and the rich man when both died. Lazarus went to paradise and the rich man ended in Hades. The rich man is in agony and wishes water to cool his thirst. That is a physical event. Many say it is nothing more than a parable. Sometimes I wonder if they are actual events.
How long do you think a drop of water would last at room temperature? Don’t worry, you don’t have to live in a house that’s a scalding 212ºF - just for water to disappear on its own. And, do you honestly believe a drop-of-water would physically quench your thirst? It's a parable, not an actual event.
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Old 04-16-2018, 08:26 PM
 
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God gets blamed for a lot of stuff
Gods will is always the same
Life truth and love
No it is not gods will that you are poor live in a bad neighborhood
If you reach for him he will take you out of it
By reach out what do I mean?
Just remember if you want your environment to change you must change
Been there done that
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Old 04-17-2018, 04:19 AM
 
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God gets blamed for a lot of stuff
Well duh! IT CREATED EVERYTHING. it is the reason for everything and is responsible for everything.
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Old 04-20-2018, 06:22 PM
 
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1 John 5:14
14 Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.


You could pray for a great paying job, children, nice house in better area, nice car and if its Gods will for you to have a check to check job, no children, house in a bad area, etc, no amount of prayer will change that.


We will never know what his will is, so are there times, you feel prayers fall on deaf ears if its not his will?

Do we really have free will if everything will be according ho his will?
Though the set up /. Question asked might be a iffy or shy on information... the Lord has always asked me each step of every testing and or trail he has put me in... " do you want to be set free" of course you say yes then... but if he would have always told us the details
Of how we wants to bring that freedom maybe we would have said yes so readily... as Israel did when in slavery in egypt.... when lacking water most wanted to sell their free for a glass of water. So yes we have freedom... but most people would rather be slaves to something.
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Old 04-20-2018, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Certain kinds of Calvinist denominations deny the fact that God has given human beings free will, in fact, hyper Calvinism states that God is the creator and source of all sin and evil, yet these so called “Christians” claim that if The reprobate blame God for their predestination to eternal Damnation, that God will give them an even more severe punishment than those people would have received if they would have just taken the punishment without resistance, which these hyper Calvinists claim that Jesus only died for the elect and not even all Christians but only the hyper Calvinist Christian denomination.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:38 PM
 
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Certain kinds of Calvinist denominations deny the fact that God has given human beings free will, in fact, hyper Calvinism states that God is the creator and source of all sin and evil, yet these so called “Christians” claim that if The reprobate blame God for their predestination to eternal Damnation, that God will give them an even more severe punishment than those people would have received if they would have just taken the punishment without resistance, which these hyper Calvinists claim that Jesus only died for the elect and not even all Christians but only the hyper Calvinist Christian denomination.
Can you understand how anyone could possibly believe such an irrational and evil concept of God???????
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Old 04-20-2018, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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1 John 5:14
14 Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.


You could pray for a great paying job, children, nice house in better area, nice car and if its Gods will for you to have a check to check job, no children, house in a bad area, etc, no amount of prayer will change that.


We will never know what his will is, so are there times, you feel prayers fall on deaf ears if its not his will?

Do we really have free will if everything will be according ho his will?
And 1 John 5:14 continued : And if we know the he hears us - whatever we ask - we know that we have what we
asked of him.

I just had to look right there on my wall where I have it up.

I know His Will..and it is for my abundance....in every aspect. I want Him...now if I need to grow in purity so
I may be presented with an issue that seems pretty darned unpleasant..bring it on Lord...teach me detachment,
teach me to give and give and not think of myself, that darn ego....teach me to do Your Will...which is always kindness first.

I have not exactly 'asked' for 'things'...I just lay it on Him..."Lord, pay my mortgage, I know You will."
Lord, Im going to go to the store and get that 'thing' that is near impossible to find..cuz I know You will place it there in front of me.
Lord, I give You this burden (and there are so many, from being late to losing my keys!) and He solves all of them!

His Will is for me to be happy by being close to Him. That is my belief system. Simple.
And so far so good!

If I ask my father for bread...he does NOT give me a stone. Period. Again, my core, unshakable belief system.
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Old 04-20-2018, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Rural Central Texas
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1 John 5:14
14 Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.


You could pray for a great paying job, children, nice house in better area, nice car and if its Gods will for you to have a check to check job, no children, house in a bad area, etc, no amount of prayer will change that.


We will never know what his will is, so are there times, you feel prayers fall on deaf ears if its not his will?

Do we really have free will if everything will be according ho his will?
My children can ask me to give them a new mustang convertible and if it is not my will, they don’t get it. I do not prevent them from getting it themselves however ever if I want them to have a Yaris instead. Saying no is not forcing my will upon them. I may have foreknowledge that they will lose the mustang for missed payments, but they might still buy it despite my omniscience. My knowing does not mean they will actually buy it, but true omniscience reveals they will also lose the Mercedes and the Ferrari if they buy those, but will indeed be able to afford the 6 year old Chevy impala.

Their free will enables them to make their own choices regardless of my desires and my omniscience allows to to know what the outcome of their choices will be, and even to know when they will make the right and wrong choices compared to my will.

The only aspect of predetermination I will acknowledge is that God might continue to put choices before certain people until someone makes the choice that enables a key action to occur that leads to a key event in God’s plan. It may not be the optimal path or the most expedient chain of events, or even the best person to do the action, but the overall plan will happen. Each part of the plan or chain can choose to cooperate or not as their will dictates, but eventually the plan will coalesce.
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