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On this one, jimmij is on the right track. "Vanity" here would be "in vain" or "uselessly" "Frustration" is a good translation and refers to the condition of the world in natural consequence of its normally selfish actions. the General populace lacks in large measure the "enlightened self interest" that makes for a more beneficial society. "Evil" in the other reference is about "calamity" or consequences of deleterious conditions.
What if evil is not just the horrible images that come to mind when thought upon, but everything outside of that which is harmonious with God(Good)?.
"Evil exists because God gave man free will. God will enact ultimate justice in the end and evil will be vanquished." -Jimmiej
Jimmie, evil will indeed be vanquished, make that obliterated, swallowed up in victory!
Man's free moral agency, even if it were true, would by no means clear God from the responsibility of His acts since God is His creator and has made him in the first place just what he is, well knowing what the result would be. If God's will is EVER thwarted, then He is not almighty. If His will is thwarted, then His plans must be changed, and hence He is not all-wise and immutable. If His will is NEVER thwarted, then all things are in ACCORDANCE with His will and He is responsible for all things as they exist. If He is all-wise and all-good, then all things, existing according to His will, must be tending to some wise and benevolent end. Thus we come back to my proposition again: If God is infinite in power, wisdom and goodness, then He is responsible for ALL things that exist, and all existing things are tending toward some wise and good end. He who cannot see that this proposition is absolutely inevitable, as much so as a mathematical axiom, must be very deficient in logic and reason, and it would be useless to argue with him. He who DOES see the truth of this proposition will also see the truth of several corollaries depending upon it; viz., ABSOLUTE evil cannot exist because God is absolutely GOOD. The absolute is the unconditioned and unlimited. If there were absolute evil, then the good WOULD be limited, and hence NOT absolute, and hence again God would not be absolutely or infinitely good. But God IS infinite in goodness; hence evil is NOT infinite. Therefore it is relative, temporary and limited, and therefore again ENDLESS evil is an impossibility unless you make God less than infinite. Thus it is seen that the doctrine of endless torments is as contrary to reason as it is to scripture.- A.P. Adams-
"From Him ta panta comes, through Him ta panta exists, and in Him ta panta ends."
What if evil is not just the horrible images that come to mind when thought upon, but everything outside of that which is harmonious with God(Good)?.
It is in one sense, or at least the consequence will be seen as bad. On the other hand I'd have to say that to call something "evil" implies intent as opposed to bad judgement.
It is in one sense, or at least the consequence will be seen as bad. On the other hand I'd have to say that to call something "evil" implies intent as opposed to bad judgement.
But what is the root of the root of the root, etc., intent/reason anyone does anything “bad†or “evil� I wouldn’t call any of it evil. It’s all just from being out of sync with our very Source.
"Evil exists because God gave man free will. God will enact ultimate justice in the end and evil will be vanquished." -Jimmiej
Jimmie, evil will indeed be vanquished, make that obliterated, swallowed up in victory!
Man's free moral agency, even if it were true, would by no means clear God from the responsibility of His acts since God is His creator and has made him in the first place just what he is, well knowing what the result would be. If God's will is EVER thwarted, then He is not almighty. If His will is thwarted, then His plans must be changed, and hence He is not all-wise and immutable. If His will is NEVER thwarted, then all things are in ACCORDANCE with His will and He is responsible for all things as they exist. If He is all-wise and all-good, then all things, existing according to His will, must be tending to some wise and benevolent end. Thus we come back to my proposition again: If God is infinite in power, wisdom and goodness, then He is responsible for ALL things that exist, and all existing things are tending toward some wise and good end. He who cannot see that this proposition is absolutely inevitable, as much so as a mathematical axiom, must be very deficient in logic and reason, and it would be useless to argue with him. He who DOES see the truth of this proposition will also see the truth of several corollaries depending upon it; viz., ABSOLUTE evil cannot exist because God is absolutely GOOD. The absolute is the unconditioned and unlimited. If there were absolute evil, then the good WOULD be limited, and hence NOT absolute, and hence again God would not be absolutely or infinitely good. But God IS infinite in goodness; hence evil is NOT infinite. Therefore it is relative, temporary and limited, and therefore again ENDLESS evil is an impossibility unless you make God less than infinite. Thus it is seen that the doctrine of endless torments is as contrary to reason as it is to scripture.- A.P. Adams-
"From Him ta panta comes, through Him ta panta exists, and in Him ta panta ends."
So God created evil, according to you. Correct me if I misunderstand you. Your writing (and lack of paragraphs) is difficult to understand.
It is in one sense, or at least the consequence will be seen as bad. On the other hand, I'd have to say that to call something "evil" implies intent as opposed to bad judgment.
Amen. Evil is willful that is why it is evil. That is also why accidents or natural catastrophes cannot be evil.
"mankind was made subject to vanity, NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason of Him who has subjected the same in hope..?"
Pneuma: I believe this was built into Adam1 in the fall from glory to flesh.
God is NOT the author of evil.
Scripture tells us God is love.
Love thinketh NO EVIL
Love WORKETH NO EVIL.
So if love does not think evil or work evil how is it God does these things if God is love.
Either make the tree good and its fruits good or make the tree corrupt and its fruit corrupt.
A good tree cannot bring forth corrupt fruit and a corrupt tree cannot bring for good fruit.
Everything the Lord does is for the good. Perhaps He is withholding His wrath and allowing evil to exist a bit more so that we are separated like chaff; the followers of the True Christ versus the damned.
Matthew 25:31- explains it well. But the walking dead (goats) foolishly think if Jesus doesn’t repeat it over and over again it is not really true.
So if love does not think evil or work evil how is it God does these things if God is love.
Either make the tree good and its fruits good or make the tree corrupt and its fruit corrupt.
A good tree cannot bring forth corrupt fruit and a corrupt tree cannot bring for good fruit.
So, what did Joseph mean when he told his brothers that G-d MEANT IT for good, although they meant it for evil?...
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