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Is is a denomination? I didn't say you can't post. I think it is a reasonable suggestion, since people are pushing new age/universalism on every thread. Same posts are copy/pasted on multiple threads. Might as well give them their own forum.
Denominational people are posting things for discussion about things in the scriptures, if you don’t want to discuss it, don’t.
Exactly! The same ALL who die in Adam 1 made alive in the Last Adam...glorious equations!
As in Adam ALL die
SO ALSO
In Christ shall ALL be made alive.
1st Adam all die>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Last Adam all made alive.
How more obvious can it be made to be ?. Fundamentalists know exactly what it is saying, how can they not ?. The problem is they cannot accept it, because that one verse of scripture basically sinks the ship of eternal torment and a lot of other beliefs go down with it.
See God gave the heaven and the earth to Adam , and Adam was second in command under God , above the Holy Angels of God , but still under God in Authority , but ignored the Word of the Lord and did what God told Him not to do , so the authority of Adam went to his deceiver the devil who deceived Adam to sin against the Word of God ...................... So the devil took this authority and ruled the earth , were even Michael to Archangel did not have the power to defeat the devil, Then sin took over the world through the devil ............................So God had to send a man to take back what was lost through Adam and his sin , where Jesus came 4 thousand years later , so Jesus was victorious through the cross where God had a judgment for man , so to be saved , and the devil became a defeated foe, which the war was won, still the war was won but battles can still be fought against the defeated foe the devil , as a challenge for believers ...................... Where the victory is won through Jesus Christ who Now equal authority with God , and the saved are in equal spiritual authority with God through Jesus
How more obvious can it be made to be ?. Fundamentalists know exactly what it is saying, how can they not ?. The problem is they cannot accept it, because that one verse of scripture basically sinks the ship of eternal torment and a lot of other beliefs go down with it.
The problem is that the same book you quote that from clearly says that it's through faith in Jesus that we are saved. nowhere else in that book is the notion of universal salvation. To suggest it is completely rips that verse out of context.
1st Adam all die>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Last Adam all made alive.
Everyone who does not cherry-pick verses out of context knows what it means. It is talking about resurrection, and even specifies the order, Jesus first, and then those who belong to Him. Read the next verse.
But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
The unbelievers will be 'made alive' for judgment.
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The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done
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the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death
See God gave the heaven and the earth to Adam , and Adam was second in command under God , above the Holy Angels of God , but still under God in Authority , but ignored the Word of the Lord and did what God told Him not to do , so the authority of Adam went to his deceiver the devil who deceived Adam to sin against the Word of God ...................... So the devil took this authority and ruled the earth , were even Michael to Archangel did not have the power to defeat the devil, Then sin took over the world through the devil ............................So God had to send a man to take back what was lost through Adam and his sin , where Jesus came 4 thousand years later , so Jesus was victorious through the cross where God had a judgment for man , so to be saved , and the devil became a defeated foe, which the war was won, still the war was won but battles can still be fought against the defeated foe the devil , as a challenge for believers ...................... Where the victory is won through Jesus Christ who Now equal authority with God , and the saved are in equal spiritual authority with God through Jesus
None of that actually makes sense, the devil is given all of humanity then “Jesus” comes to save Christians from the devil? what happens to non-Christians? What was the point of the Old Testament and how it relates to the kingdom of God, about Israel being scattered and gathered “in the last days”
The problem is that the same book you quote that from clearly says that it's through faith in Jesus that we are saved. nowhere else in that book is the notion of universal salvation. To suggest it is completely rips that verse out of context.
Here B.P. is the context the passage is "ripped" from.
6. For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
The problem is that the same book you quote that from clearly says that it's through faith in Jesus that we are saved. nowhere else in that book is the notion of universal salvation. To suggest it is completely rips that verse out of context.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Please Note
"the whole of created life SHALL BE DELIVERED"
That, my friend is the ktisis, the whole of created life "they" and "us."
Here B.P. is the context the passage is "ripped" from.
Who is "B.P."?
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6. For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
King James Version (KJV)
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And read the rest of Romans. Heck, read the rest of the chapter. The first 11 verses are interesting. Things like how we are saved from the wrath off God by him dying. Do you believe that? Do you believe God is wrathful?
How about chapter 4? Where it says Abraham was righteous by faith. Do you believe that? Or will you believe the Universalist story that God simply declares all saved?
How about chapter 9 where it says God hates Esau? That he actually hated someone?
Or chapter 10 where it says that one must believe to be saved? That he must actually confess Jesus? That they can't even do that if the Gospel isn't preached to them?
Can you reconcile this universalist nonsense with that?
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