What does the Bible say about Pre-universe? (woman, dogma, Creator)
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As you say, there was no time before the Universe was created. Any action is something that occurs in time. So with no time, God couldn't DO anything. IMO that's why He had to create the universe.
If God couldn't have done anything then He couldn't have created the Universe. God is not limited to, or subject to time and space. He transcends both. Time and space are for the benefit of God's created beings.
The bible has a hard enough time getting the sun and light in the right order.
You're taking the Genesis creation story literally. Since the sun and moon were objects of worship in ancient societies, the point of placing the creation of the sun and moon in the creation account, which are called not by their names but referred to only as the greater and lesser lights, is quite probably for the theological purpose of de-emphasizing their importance. Yet, Since God is the source of all things the creation account has light existing before the sun.
The purpose of the creation story is theological, not to provide scientific explanations for how the Universe came to be. The original recipients of the Biblical creation accounts understood what Moses was saying even though 21 century readers who are not familiar with the time and culture in which the creation account was written really have no basis for properly interpreting what is being said. The Biblical creation accounts (there is more than one) are polemics against the creation accounts, and against the gods of Israel's pagan neighbors. Don't impose 21st century cultural imperialism on the Bible.
You're taking the Genesis creation story literally. Since the sun and moon were objects of worship in ancient societies, the point of placing the creation of the sun and moon in the creation account, which are called not by their names but referred to only as the greater and lesser lights, is quite probably for the theological purpose of de-emphasizing their importance. Yet, Since God is the source of all things the creation account has light existing before the sun.
The purpose of the creation story is theological, not to provide scientific explanations for how the Universe came to be. The original recipients of the Biblical creation accounts understood what Moses was saying even though 21 century readers who are not familiar with the time and culture in which the creation account was written really have no basis for properly interpreting what is being said. The Biblical creation accounts (there is more than one) are polemics against the creation accounts, and against the gods of Israel's pagan neighbors. Don't impose 21st century cultural imperialism on the Bible.
Hmm. It's funny how sometimes we not supposed to take the bible literally, while other times we are absolutely supposed to take the bible literally.
Hmm. It's funny how sometimes we not supposed to take the bible literally, while other times we are absolutely supposed to take the bible literally.
What's funny about it? The Bible has many different genres. There are very obvious instances of things which are to be understood literally and historically. There are also many things which are not. The Genesis creation story has strong parallels to particularly the Egyptian creation stories, which is only natural since the Bible says that Israel was in Egypt for 400 years. The Israelite's were familiar with the Egyptians gods and creation accounts. Upon leaving Egypt they needed to get reacquainted with Yahweh. The Genesis creation account was designed to take some of the details in the Egyptian accounts and in a polemic against those creation stories attribute them to Yahweh. It serves a theological purpose, not a literal historical and scientific treatise on how the Universe actually came into being.
Then the first thing God created was the earth which had no form , and then God created light from darkness long time before the sun and the moon were created , and God divided light from darkness which also God separated Himself from darkness because the light was a good thing , and the light was not from the sun ............. See the sun and moon were not created until the fourth day so then the seven solar day creation theory was not created until the fourth day with the sun ............. The heaven was created on the second day so then the pre-universe would be the works of the first day
05-24-2018, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike555
If God couldn't have done anything then He couldn't have created the Universe.
That's his point! The very notion of an action requires time. How can you have an action (cause and effect) without time?
05-24-2018, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Monastic555
What does the Bible say about Pre-universe? In other words, what does the Bible say as to what God was doing before he created the Universe? After all, God has No beginning at all, so there must have been a mind-staggeringly infinite amount of time before he created the Universe, yes? So in that infinite amount of time, was he doing nothing at all?? What does the Bible say?
The Bible says this:
Now the earth was without shape and empty, and darkness was over the surface of the watery deep, but the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the water.
That's his point! The very notion of an action requires time. How can you have an action (cause and effect) without time?
I know that's his point. And I explained that if God is outside of time and space, if He is transcendent, then He is not dependent on time or space.
As an analogy. It is thought that time and space began with the big bang. Yet, the big bang didn't just happen without being caused by something, whatever that something was - cosmic foam, quantum fluctuations, higher dimensions, a grade school girl in some true reality writing a computer program in which we think we exist and believe ourselves to be real, etc. Therefore, something outside of what we know as time which wasn't dependent on time or space caused the big bang.
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