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That is correct. The same identical koine word of aionios is used in both punishment and life. Everlasting life is not on the basis of aionios, which is neither everlasting or certainly not eternal! Eternal life is based solely in the One who is the Aidios God. And that same God, more intimately referred to as Abba, is the Father of all fathers, and only punishes with an objective at the base, most certainly not the ghastly concept of unending torment for the endless ages forever and ever ad nauseum!
"From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends...
You seem like a nice person, but that is absolutely nuts.
You seem like a nice person, but that is absolutely nuts.
I am not a nice person. I mentioned to my beloved partner of many moons that everybody hates me. The response= everybody has not met you yet.
And perhaps you could point out what in the quote is absolutely nuts?
"The same identical koine word of aionios is used in both punishment and life. Everlasting life is not on the basis of aionios, which is neither everlasting or certainly not eternal! Eternal life is based solely in the One who is the Aidios God. And that same God, more intimately referred to as Abba, is the Father of all fathers, and only punishes with an objective at the base, most certainly not the ghastly concept of unending torment for the endless ages forever and ever ad nauseum!
From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends..."
Greek grand parents, Greek Mother, we learnt both German and Greek as children. At church we read and listened to the NT in Koine Greek. So I would say I started using Koine Greek just over years ago.
Greek grand parents, Greek Mother, we learnt both German and Greek as children. At church we read and listened to the NT in Koine Greek. So I would say I started using Koine Greek just over years ago.
It is English I have my problems with.
Interesting. Wasn't aware there was a denomination that read the texts in Koine Greek. I know it's not the same as Classic Greek, but it's close. So I asked
I’ve seen this before with our universalist friends. They can tell you why Hell is not eternal, but when you ask about Heaven, they respond with “It’s all about the relationship”, avoiding the actual question of whether Heaven is eternal.
That tells me they know the length of time is the same for both.
I’ve seen this before with our universalist friends. They can tell you why Hell is not eternal, but when you ask about Heaven, they respond with “It’s all about the relationship”, avoiding the actual question of whether Heaven is eternal.
That tells me they know the length of time is the same for both.
That's because a universalist belief system is not derived from sound theology and deep study of the Scriptures.
And perhaps you could point out what in the quote is absolutely nuts?
"The same identical koine word of aionios is used in both punishment and life. Everlasting life is not on the basis of aionios, which is neither everlasting or certainly not eternal! Eternal life is based solely in the One who is the Aidios God. And that same God, more intimately referred to as Abba, is the Father of all fathers, and only punishes with an objective at the base, most certainly not the ghastly concept of unending torment for the endless ages forever and ever ad nauseum!
From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends..."
Because you have no boundary in sacrificing language in order to meet an outcome. That's nuts.
You are basically telling Jesus that He didn't really mean what He said... He meant to say something different.
That's right out of the garden in Genesis 3... "God surely didn't say that you would die"... well - yes He did.... and they did.
I’ve seen this before with our universalist friends. They can tell you why Hell is not eternal, but when you ask about Heaven, they respond with “It’s all about the relationship”, avoiding the actual question of whether Heaven is eternal.
That tells me they know the length of time is the same for both.
Again Jimmiej, there is only ONE word in all of the canon that means eternal: that one word, found in exactly two passages of Scripture, is aidios and is firmly rooted only in the aidios God! And again: eternal life is solely based in a union with the aidios Father and His beloved Son. And no, the length of time is not the same at all. NOT! Aionios and the Hebrew olam cannot support the idea of endless...simply cannot.
That's because a universalist belief system is not derived from sound theology and deep study of the Scriptures.
Are you actually serious?
It is true that KOLASIS is derived etymologically from KOLAZÔ.
It is also true that in Classic Greek, KOLAZÔ means "to prune, to cut off." However, there are several problems with asserting that KOLASIS should be properly translated "cutting off" because of its relationship with KOLAZÔ.
First, determining the meaning of a word by its derivation is an example of the "etymological fallacy." D.A. Carson states that presuming that a word's meaning is bound up with its root or roots is "linguistic nonsense" (Carson, Fallacies, p. 28).
Words may or may not share semantic range with their etymological forebears. In many cases, they do not. The fact that all modern lexicons define KOLASIS as "punishment" and not one lists "cutting off" as a possible definition, suggests that it does not mean "cutting off," regardless of what KOLAZÔ may mean.
Second, KOLAZÔ had the meaning "to prune, to cut off" in Classical Greek.
However, as the Liddell-Scott lexicon shows, even in classical times, it began to take on the meaning of chastisement or punishment: to chastise, punish, Sophocles, Euripides, etc.:—Med. to get a person punished, Aristophanes, Plato:—Pass. to be punished, Xenophon. (LS)
While KOLAZÔ may have originally had the meaning "cut off," it was commonly used in late Classical Greek and in Koine Greek to mean "punish, chastise, restrain." A quick check of the modern lexicons will confirm this fact:
Prop[erly] to lop, prune as trees, wings ... to chastise, correct, punish: so in the N.T. (Thayer)
"To cut short," "to lop," "to trim," and figuratively a. "to impede," "restrain," and b. "to punish" ... A common use is for divine chastisement....The NT uses kolazw in Acts 4:18 and 2 Peter 2:9. Only the latter refers to God's punishment (TDNT)
Punish (BAGD) - This lexicon lists dozens of examples from literature contemporary with the NT and lists "punish" as the only meaning for kolazw in this time period.
Moulton & Milligan suggest that kolazw retains the meaning "correcting," "cutting down" in later documents, such as Galen, but note that "punish" is the proper translation in the NT, and cite several contemporary sources supporting this meaning.
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