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The word of God was spread by word of my expressed in love by faith, it was not limited to the Apostles, that word did not die when there was no longer apostles. You have not addressed this. I think it is quite obvious that i believe the scriptures and obvious that i believe that the scriptures are not necessary to seek the Lord. The passed down message of Jesus Christ by word of mouth being the way to the Father is not that difficult to understand. How lovely on the mountains are the feet of him who brings good news.
You keep avoiding addressing the fact that everything we know about Jesus is by way of the Bible. We would know nothing about who Jesus was, what he taught, or what he did if it was not for the fact that the Biblical writers preserved his teachings in writing.
And again, you, and I'm referring to you personally, know nothing about Jesus which does not have its source in the Bible. And your denial that the scriptures are necessary to know Jesus which you are attempting to divert to 'seeking the Lord' is flat out wrong.
And I didn't say that the word of God died when the apostles died. The word of God has been preserved in the Bible. The word of God can be spread by people, but the means by which people spread the word of God is based on information which is contained in the Bible.
You can't even give an intelligent argument to refute what I've said. The Bible is the means by which we today know anything at all about Jesus. And I've already explained why.
But you just go on living in your make believe world where you think you are oh so much better than the fundamentalists you bash in the vast majority of your posts. I'm done with this.
You keep avoiding addressing the fact that everything we know about Jesus is by way of the Bible. We would know nothing about who Jesus was, what he taught, or what he did if it was not for the fact that the Biblical writers preserved his teachings in writing.
And again, you, and I'm referring to you personally, know nothing about Jesus which does not have its source in the Bible. And your denial that the scriptures are necessary to know Jesus which you are attempting to divert to 'seeking the Lord' is flat out wrong.
And I didn't say that the word of God died when the apostles died. The word of God has been preserved in the Bible. The word of God can be spread by people, but the means by which people spread the word of God is based on information which is contained in the Bible.
You can't even give an intelligent argument to refute what I've said. The Bible is the means by which we today know anything at all about Jesus. And I've already explained why.
But you just go on living in your make believe world where you think you are oh so much better than the fundamentalists you bash in the vast majority of your posts. I'm done with this.
You are avoiding the fact that the glad tidings about Jesus Christ was shared before the New Testament was compiled and the hearer in believing on Jesus Christ entered the joy of the Lord. This actually happened, you know it too. Jesus taught seek the Lord denying this is flat out wrong on your behalf too. Bible fundamentalism as imposed "you can only know God and his Christ through the bible". Jesus never once said search the scriptures to know me, he did use the scriptures to show that he was the one they testified of, that Mike 555 is a big difference. Hey, and just as much as you have explained your view, i have clearly explained mine too, so less of the condesending attitude please. I have obviously touched a very sore point for you to even respond to me.
It seems to me that what is being said is Jesus does not exist without the bible. Of cause he was written about, how could he not be with having done all the things that he did.
Personally, I think Mike's problem is that he thinks it is necessary to know the historical Jesus in order to know the Christ that Jesus embodied.
True, and truth be known there is no historic Jesus, there is an ever present one to be sought after and to know. We no longer know him after the flesh.
Personally, I think Mike's problem is that he thinks it is necessary to know the historical Jesus in order to know the Christ that Jesus embodied.
Jesus was the Christ or Messiah or anointed one who fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies. Christ is a title of Jesus which pertains to the fact that he was sent by God the Father to be a King and a deliverer. If there was not in reality an actual Jesus who existed at a real time and place in history then Christianity is a sham. Christianity is an historically based faith, and as I've said many times now, we can know nothing about who Jesus was, or what he taught and did apart from the information which has been recorded about him by his followers.
And yes, I require historical evidence. Subjective feelings don't cut it. If I wasn't convinced by the historical evidence for Jesus and the eyewitness testimony of his resurrection, I wouldn't be a Christian.
Jesus was the Christ or Messiah or anointed one who fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies. Christ is a title of Jesus which pertains to the fact that he was sent by God the Father to be a King and a deliverer. If there was not in reality an actual Jesus who existed at a real time and place in history then Christianity is a sham. Christianity is an historically based faith, and as I've said many times now, we can know nothing about who Jesus was, or what he taught and did apart from the information which has been recorded about him by his followers.
And yes, I require historical evidence. Subjective feelings don't cut it. If I wasn't convinced by the historical evidence for Jesus and the eyewitness testimony of his resurrection, I wouldn't be a Christian.
I thought he came to die in your place? But I suppose your subjective feelings get in the way.
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You've got a gift for cutting to the chase.
