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There's nothing wrong with being flexible in non-essential matters. In order to gain a hearing with his intended audience, whether Jew or Gentile, and to effectively get his message across to his audience, Paul adapted to his audience. A good strategy.
But to get back to the issue at hand, Paul prayed with his fellow Christians who as a group were praying for him knowing that they would never see him again once he left them. Perfectly legitimate.
Well sure. Paul said all things are permissible … but he also acknowledged that not all things are beneficial. Jesus seemed to think praying in public fell into the latter category.
Well sure. Paul said all things are permissible … but he also acknowledged that not all things are beneficial. Jesus seemed to think praying in public fell into the latter category.
I disagree. And I think that Paul, to whom Jesus spoke on more than one occasion, knew Jesus' intentions better than you do.
By the way, Acts records three appearances of Jesus to Paul. The first of course was the Damascus road experience recorded in Acts 9:3-6, 22:6-10, and 26:13-18.
The second recorded appearance is in Acts 22:17-18.
The third recorded appearance is in Acts 23:11.
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[b]I disagree. And I think that Paul, to whom Jesus spoke on more than one occasion, knew Jesus' intentions better than you do...
That's fine that you think that, but to be clear, you aren't speaking for Paul when you disagree with me (because Paul never says that he disagrees that Jesus thought public prayer was not beneficial). You're speaking for yourself only.
That's fine that you think that, but to be clear, you aren't speaking for Paul when you disagree with me (because Paul never says that he disagrees that Jesus thought public prayer was not beneficial). You're speaking for yourself only.
Paul's willingness to pray along with his fellow Christians speaks for itself just as the church of Antioch's prayer, recorded in Acts 13:3 speaks for itself.
Jesus' statement had to do with intent. The Pharisee's liked to pray in public in order to be seen as pious. That is wrong motivation and intent. Acts 20:36 is an example of legitimate group public prayer. Period, over and out.
I disagree. And I think that Paul, to whom Jesus spoke on more than one occasion, knew Jesus' intentions better than you do.
By the way, Acts records three appearances of Jesus to Paul. The first of course was the Damascus road experience recorded in Acts 9:3-6, 22:6-10, and 26:13-18.
The second recorded appearance is in Acts 22:17-18.
The third recorded appearance is in Acts 23:11.
Whoa, hold your horses. Acts was supposedly written by Luke, who in Luke 1:1-3 says he witnesses nothing, but compiled stories from unspecified sources. As Paul was supposedly an associate of Luke, where do you think the writer of Acts would have gotten these stories, such as Acts 23:11. The only apparent witness was Paul, which makes his witness "not true" (John 5:31). It requires 2 to 3 witnesses to confirm any matter per Yeshua in Matthew 18:16 & confirmed by (Deuteronomy 19:15). The foundation of "sand" you have built your "house" on is one of sand (Matthew 7:24-27).
Whoa, hold your horses. Acts was supposedly written by Luke, who in Luke 1:1-3 says he witnesses nothing, but compiled stories from unspecified sources. As Paul was supposedly an associate of Luke, where do you think the writer of Acts would have gotten these stories, such as Acts 23:11. The only apparent witness was Paul, which makes his witness "not true" (John 5:31). It requires 2 to 3 witnesses to confirm any matter per Yeshua in Matthew 18:16 & confirmed by (Deuteronomy 19:15). The foundation of "sand" you have built your "house" on is one of sand (Matthew 7:24-27).
Luke, the writer of Acts, was a close associate of Paul and traveled with him at certain times during Paul's missionary journeys. Luke wasn't a personal eyewitness of Jesus but he did have access to those who were.
Paul's willingness to pray along with his fellow Christians speaks for itself just as the church of Antioch's prayer, recorded in Acts 13:3 speaks for itself.
We just went over this. Paul said he participated in religious rites for reasons other than them being beneficial. He never made the declaration that praying in public was beneficial. There's no reason to assume that he wasn't just being "all things to all people" in that particular instance.
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Jesus' statement had to do with intent. The Pharisee's liked to pray in public in order to be seen as pious. That is wrong motivation and intent. Acts 20:36 is an example of legitimate group public prayer. Period, over and out.
Jesus' statement was: Don't pray in public, which is what the Pharisees did. Instead, he said, DO pray privately. Not, pray in public with the "right intent". Just, pray privately.
Luke, the writer of Acts, was a close associate of Paul and traveled with him at certain times during Paul's missionary journeys. Luke wasn't a personal eyewitness of Jesus but he did have access to those who were.
My point was that there is no second witness to the "Lord" talking to Paul, which makes the claim "not true" per John 5:31. Even the two different stories of Acts, with regard to the wilderness story, does not give a 2nd witness account to what happened, which is to say, the foundation of your house, is made of sand, and will "fall" (Matthew 7:27).
Paul's willingness to pray along with his fellow Christians speaks for itself just as the church of Antioch's prayer, recorded in Acts 13:3 speaks for itself.
Jesus' statement had to do with intent. The Pharisee's liked to pray in public in order to be seen as pious. That is wrong motivation and intent. Acts 20:36 is an example of legitimate group public prayer. Period, over and out.
So, what is the purpose of public prayer?. I want to hear from you what the scripture says is the purpose, not what you think it is. Jesus explained the purpose for praying in the closet .
So, what is the purpose of public prayer?. I want to hear from you what the scripture says is the purpose, not what you think it is. Jesus explained the purpose for praying in the closet .
I believe praying is for our benefit, to move closer to God and to know HIS will. This is both individual and as a community.
public prayer is more of a tradition which is what Jesus came to do away with.
The model that Jesus told us to use is based on us asking God for things relating to the kingdom and receiving of God.
It is not to be used as a tool of expressing our thoughts under the guise of asking or speaking for God, or for blessing physical “food”
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