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Old 04-09-2019, 04:56 AM
 
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Which OT scripture or scriptures is Jesus referring to here ?.
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:29 AM
 
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Which OT scripture or scriptures is Jesus referring to here ?.
Possibly Ezekiel 47? Ezekiel has a vision of water flowing out of the temple. In the NT believers are the temple of God.

The verse also fits with the River of Life in Revelation 22, but that couldn't be the scripture He was referring to.
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:39 AM
 
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According to The People’s New Testament Commentary, the reference is not to any single passage, but to the spirit of the Scripture, notably such passages as Isaiah 55:1 Isaiah 58:11 Psalms 36:8 Psalms 36:9 .
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:30 AM
 
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Which OT scripture or scriptures is Jesus referring to here ?.
All of them.
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:36 AM
 
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other terms to study because of translation issues might be

FOUNTAIN "
Pro 18:4

The words of a man's mouth are deep waters; the fountain of wisdom is a gushing stream.


Pro 16:22

Wisdom is a fountain of life to him who has it, but folly is the chastisement of fools.


https://www.blueletterbible.org/sear...=s_primary_0_1


I think two of the most important being being prophetic and still not totally fulfilled yet .. only in part.
Zec 13:1

"On that day there shall be a fountain opened for the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to cleanse them from sin and uncleanness.
Rev 21:6

And he said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the fountain of the water of life without payment.


then study..


WELL or cisterns ? etc of wisdom , knowledge etc...
https://www.blueletterbible.org/sear...=s_primary_0_1
hn 4:14

“But whoever drinks from the water that I will give him will never get thirsty again. In fact, the water I will give him will become a well[fn] of water springing up in him for eternal life.”


study " stream/ streams "

of knowledge, wisdom , learning , life etc


and

study river of .. of life , of wisdom, of knowledge, of learning , of truth ? .... and all the above..


as you can see the subject you asked about is indeed a very deep well overflowing and is deep enough to swim in.. ( pun intended )
I think just one or two of the main points is that the Word of life and his blood cleanses us like water and His word/ wisdom and truth is the key.
and that there will be fountains and wells to drink of pure knowledge and wisdom for his people so that they can have fulfilling lives full of truth and adventure and even real "science" for invention for the rest of eternity.. to have truly abundant/overflowing lives.

like the scientism of today is mostly about trying to tear apart nature, it has to destroy animals and life to find
"cures" that addict us to their products... .. won't more life be created if we worked with his creation instead of trying to shred it/ break it / to thus try and understand it and mostly try and control it in order to control others..?
if Spirit of Our Father or Son.. can give us a pure understanding of creation in or for our inventions, then we can build with creation instead of destroying it in an attempt to understand and even try and control his creation... so working with his laws in creation will enhance creation? HIS creation.

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Old 04-09-2019, 09:05 AM
 
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All of them.
Are you serious, that’s a bit of a knee jerk response isn’t it ? Reading the OT in a literal way would be impossible to know exactly what Jesus was referring to, because there is not a single scripture from the OT that literally states rivers of living water will flow from those who trust him.
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Old 04-09-2019, 10:25 AM
 
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Jer_2:13 for my people have committed two evils: they have forsaken me, the fountain of living waters, and hewed out cisterns for themselves, broken cisterns that can hold no water.


Zec_14:8 On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea. It shall continue in summer as in winter.
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Old 04-09-2019, 10:34 AM
 
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Are you serious, that’s a bit of a knee jerk response isn’t it ? Reading the OT in a literal way would be impossible to know exactly what Jesus was referring to, because there is not a single scripture from the OT that literally states rivers of living water will flow from those who trust him.
The Scriptures say that He should be trusted.

Christ is adding in that living water shall flow from within.
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:03 PM
 
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The Scriptures say that He should be trusted.

Christ is adding in that living water shall flow from within.
Where is the scripture or scriptures that Jesus referred to ?. You know perfectly well what i am asking, and you are being very naive if you think Jesus is saying "this is what the whole of the OT scripture is saying".

There is no scripture in the OT that literally says what Jesus said. Further proof that the scriptures are something far more much more than a literal history book and to receive anything "spiritual" from them can not be read to be an literal historic book. Those temples, houses, rivers and such things in the OT are our very selves and what is within us, waiting to come forth through us by the awareness of them.
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:54 PM
 
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Where is the scripture or scriptures that Jesus referred to ?. You know perfectly well what i am asking, and you are being very naive if you think Jesus is saying "this is what the whole of the OT scripture is saying".

There is no scripture in the OT that literally says what Jesus said. Further proof that the scriptures are something far more much more than a literal history book and to receive anything "spiritual" from them cannot be read to be a literal historic book. Those temples, houses, rivers and such things in the OT are our very selves and what is within us, waiting to come forth through us by the awareness of them.
and by your same logic .. peter shadow never healed anyone.. and the cloths they sent around never healed anyone either... but they did.. information can be put into inanimate objects. you use a computer. how many people would have said 100 years ago that you were insane .. if we described a computer to them .. an inanimate object that communicates information.... there will be fountains of wisdom and fountains of life.. with real water...in his temple.. dont' get that wrong, that is all easy things for our Father to do..

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