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Old 05-20-2019, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Townsville QLD Australia.
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The translators of the Septuagint (Jews themselves) did so as well, some say the Jews later deliberately used the words different after the rise of Christianity.

Actually it's irrelevant though what the word in Hebrew meant, "young woman" and virgin is no contradiction and the NT is pretty clear, that Mary was a virgin beyond the meaning of the words in use.
Sorry mate, Mary was never a virgin after the act by which she conceived 'Jesus,' the first of her three biological children.
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Old 05-20-2019, 08:11 AM
 
Location: US
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The translators of the Septuagint (Jews themselves) did so as well, some say the Jews later deliberately used the words different after the rise of Christianity.

Actually it's irrelevant though what the word in Hebrew meant, "young woman" and virgin is no contradiction and the NT is pretty clear, that Mary was a virgin beyond the meaning of the words in use.
The Jews did not translate the Tanakh, they only translated the Torah...
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Old 05-20-2019, 09:03 AM
 
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Yes she was a virgin and By the WORK / HAND OF Holy Spirit , a living child , the son of king David.. Was transplanted AND PLACED INTO HER WOMB.. .. Not "conceived" in her womb. THUS ODDS ON..SHE EVEN HAD HYMEN UNTIL HE WAS BORN. AS THEY DIDN'T HAVE TAMPEX THEN .
AND DOCTORS DIDNT' EXAMINE YOU BACK THEN EITHER..IT IS VERY VERY LIKELY SHE DID HAVE HER HYMEN UNTIL HE WAS BORN .SO I'M SURE SHE HAD AN UNBROKEN HYMEN.
BECAUSE A CHILD OF BATHSHEBA AND KING DAVID'S, THE OLDER BROTHER OF SOLOMON WAS PLACED IN MARY'S WOMB.
THE SAME CHILD WHO DIED FOR ISRAEL AND FOR KING DAVID THEN. IF HE HAD NOT DIED DAVID WOULD HAVE DIED FOR HIS SINS OF MURDER... AND THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO SOLOMON AND THEN NO TEMPLE, NO SACRIFICES FOR SIN. NO HUGE RELIGIOUS COMPLEX TO CRUCIFY OUR GOD WHO WOULD SAVE, THE WORLD .. NOT JUST ISRAEL BUT THE WHOLE WORLD FROM SIN AND DEATH.

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Old 05-20-2019, 09:24 AM
 
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And as Elizabeth conceived ambiguously. And had John the Baptist. THE Elijah THAT WAS TO COME BEFORE MESSIAH EVERYTIME. AS PROMISED AT PASSOVER... and his birthday probably
in Passover. This is probably not any different than Elizabeth, Sarah, Hannah, BUT they were not virgins.

But the process was probably the same PROCESSES . A LIVING CHILD TRANSPLANTED INTO A DEAD WOMB..REVIVED .. .
And well as all other ambiguous births that were "miracles".. These all at the same hand of the Holy Spirit. I believe they were all living children AND JUST THE RIGHT ONE. WAS placed there for God's purposes and our education ... Every one of the miracle births from old and barren wombs a> that God's spirit revived the womb and placed a living child even days old.. Inside of there.
AS A PROMISE OF LIFE AFTER DEATH.. OR LIFE THAT IS TO BE BORN FROM DEAD PLACES.. "NOT BY MIGHT NOR BY POWER BUT BY HIS SPIRIT" ....and ONLY BY HIS SPIRIT.

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Old 05-20-2019, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Somerset, KY
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Sorry mate, Mary was never a virgin after the act by which she conceived 'Jesus,' the first of her three biological children.
Will someone please explain why this is so important to people?
It's like the argument about whether Jesus ever married.
It doesn't change Jesus' teachings at all.
Does his mother being a virgin make him any more or less holy?
I seriously don't get it.
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Old 05-20-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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Will someone please explain why this is so important to people?
It's like the argument about whether Jesus ever married.
It doesn't change Jesus' teachings at all.
Does his mother being a virgin make him any more or less holy?
I seriously don't get it.
they are intent on Un Holy-ing the Bible and prophesys and scriptures Promises, and our even our God ....
as you point out it is silly..
but the intent is way more devious, it just looks silly and childish at first glance.
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Old 05-20-2019, 11:12 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Will someone please explain why this is so important to people?
It's like the argument about whether Jesus ever married.
It doesn't change Jesus' teachings at all.
Does his mother being a virgin make him any more or less holy?
I seriously don't get it.
While the Bible doesn't address the issue of whether Jesus was married, it does state that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and that Mary had not known a man (was a virgin) until after she gave birth to Jesus. The issue of the virgin birth concerns whether Jesus pre-existed as the Word and as God as John 1:1 states, and incarnated through the virgin birth. And the Bible both declares that Jesus did pre-exist as God and that He also became a man (a human being) at His virgin birth. And that's why it's important whether you personally consider it to be or not.
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Old 05-20-2019, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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While the Bible doesn't address the issue of whether Jesus was married, it does state that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and that Mary had not known a man (was a virgin) until after she gave birth to Jesus. The issue of the virgin birth concerns whether Jesus pre-existed as the Word and as God as John 1:1 states, and incarnated through the virgin birth. And the Bible both declares that Jesus did pre-exist as God and that He also became a man (a human being) at His virgin birth. And that's why it's important whether you personally consider it to be or not.
So, it supports the Trinity (hypostases) theory of the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit as "One God" in three persons nonsense of Christianism? Who has adopted their various beliefs from all the cultures and mythologies or religions over time. I know you won't acknowledge it, but you follow a syncretistic belief-system that was designed to create a "One World Religion" in order to control humanity by those in power.

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Old 05-20-2019, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Somerset, KY
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While the Bible doesn't address the issue of whether Jesus was married, it does state that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and that Mary had not known a man (was a virgin) until after she gave birth to Jesus. The issue of the virgin birth concerns whether Jesus pre-existed as the Word and as God as John 1:1 states, and incarnated through the virgin birth. And the Bible both declares that Jesus did pre-exist as God and that He also became a man (a human being) at His virgin birth. And that's why it's important whether you personally consider it to be or not.
He couldn't have pre-existed without the virgin birth? Why? How are the two connected?
Still not following.
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Old 05-20-2019, 01:55 PM
 
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You assume this why?...
This part of the Torah shows how a woman of Israel who were not virgins back then were handled. So its safe to assume Mary was a actual virgin.

Deuteronomy 22:13-19
"If any man takes a wife and goes in to her and then turns against her, and charges her with shameful deeds and publicly defames her, and says, 'I took this woman, but when I came near her, I did not find her a virgin,' then the girl's father and her mother shall take and bring out the evidence of the girl's virginity to the elders of the city at the gate
"The girl's father shall say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter to this man for a wife, but he turned against her; and behold, he has charged her with shameful deeds, saying, "I did not find your daughter a virgin." But this is the evidence of my daughter's virginity.' And they shall spread the garment before the elders of the city. "So the elders of that city shall take the man and chastise him, and they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give it to the girl's father, because he publicly defamed a virgin of Israel. And she shall remain his wife; he cannot divorce her all his days.


Deuteronomy 22:20-21
"But if this charge is true, that the girl was not found a virgin, then they shall bring out the girl to the doorway of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death because she has committed an act of folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father's house; thus you shall purge the evil from among you.


Deuteronomy 22:23-24
"If there is a girl who is a virgin engaged to a man, and another man finds her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city and you shall stone them to death; the girl, because she did not cry out in the city, and the man, because he has violated his neighbor's wife. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you.

Deuteronomy 22:25-27
"But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die. "But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death, for just as a man rises against his neighbor and murders him, so is this case. "When he found her in the field, the engaged girl cried out, but there was no one to save her.
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