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Old 05-16-2019, 12:44 AM
 
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The Jewish Bible proves the virgin birth of Jesus. Ancient Jewish rabbis understood that the Hebrew word almah means a virgin, a young woman, who has not been in a sexual relationship with a man.
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Old 05-16-2019, 03:25 AM
 
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The Jewish Bible proves the virgin birth of Jesus. Ancient Jewish rabbis understood that the Hebrew word almah means a virgin, a young woman, who has not been in a sexual relationship with a man.

Isaiah 7: 14; Jewish Translation: “Therefore the Lord, of his own, shall give you a sign; behold the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son and she shall call his name Immanuel.”

Isaiah 7: 14; Erroneous KJV Translation; “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Emmanuel.”

In Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible, the Hebrew term “Almah,” carries the meaning, (Concealment---unmarried female.)”

Go to “A Dictionary of Biblical Tradition in English Literature,” by David Jeffery. There you will find written, “Many scholars consider the new Revised Standard Version of the King James translation, which is probably the most widely used version of the English bible today, and considered by most modern scholars to be to be the most accurate translation of the Old Testament. It follows the modern consensus in translating ‘Almah’ as ‘Young Woman’ in Isaiah 7: 14.

In 1973, an ecumenical edition of RSV was approved by both Protestant and Catholic hierarchies, called the common bible. A New English Translation of the Bible, published in 1970 and approved by the council of churches in England, Scotland, Wales, the Irish council of churches, the London Society of Friends, and the Methodist and Presbyterian churches of England, all translate Isaiah 7: 14; “A young Woman is with child, and she will bear a son.”

Also The Good News Bible, Catholic Study Edition, with imprimatur by Archbishop John Whealon reads, Isaiah 7: 14; “A young woman who is pregnant will have a son, etc.”

As these religious bodies all now accept that Isaiah was not referring to a virgin in that famous passage, they must now accept that the authors of the Septuagint and The Gospel of Matthew, who were forced to use the Greek term “Parthenos” in reference to Isaiah’s prophecy, were in no way implying that the pregnant Mary, was still a virgin.

Matthew 1: 22-23; should now read; ‘Now all this happened to make come true what the Lord had said through the prophet [Isaiah],’ “An unmarried woman/Almah who is pregnant will bear a son and he will be called immanuel: (“which means God is with us.”)

The word for Tabernacle, mishkan, is a derivative of the same root and is used in the sense of dwelling-place in the Bible, e.g. Psalm 132:5 ("Before I find a place for God, mishkanot (dwelling-places) for the Strong One of Israel.") Accordingly, in classic Jewish thought, the Shekhinah refers to a dwelling or settling in a special sense, a dwelling or settling of divine presence, to the effect that, while in proximity to the Shekhinah, the connection to God is more readily perceivable. Some Christian theologians have connected the concept of Shekhinah to the Greek term "Parousia", "presence" "arrival," which is used in the New Testament in a similar way for "Divine Presence".

The Light of man came In the body of a human being, which he had filled with his spirit and lived with us, and we saw his Sh'khinah, (Dwelling place) the Sh'khinah, or Dwelling place, which was the body of the man Jesus that the Father had prepared for his Son, who was to come down mentally and fill with his spirit, that body that his Father had prepared for him, the earthly dwelling of the Father's only Son, full of grace and truth.

Surely John the Baptist, would not have doubted for one moment that Jesus was the promised Messiah, if he believed that his cousin Mary was an ever virgin, in whose womb, an alien life form that pre-existed the creation of the cosmos, created for itself a human like body that was not of the seed of Adam, which body he could walk the earth disguised as a human being. But John did, he asked Jesus if he really was the one, or if they had to wait for another.
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Old 05-16-2019, 03:31 AM
 
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The Jewish Bible proves the virgin birth of Jesus. Ancient Jewish rabbis understood that the Hebrew word almah means a virgin, a young woman, who has not been in a sexual relationship with a man.
Uh, no...That would be betulah...
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Old 05-16-2019, 08:48 AM
 
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Uh, no...That would be betulah...
From what I understand........

You can be a betulah without being an almah.

Or you could be an almah without being a betulah.

Or you could be both

Or you could be neither.
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:32 AM
 
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For those that disagree, shouldnt a young woman of marriageable age be a virgin anyways back then?
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:23 PM
 
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For those that disagree, shouldnt a young woman of marriageable age be a virgin anyways back then?
You assume this why?...
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:29 PM
 
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From what I understand........

You can be a betulah without being an almah.

Or you could be an almah without being a betulah.

Or you could be both

Or you could be neither.
A betulah is a virgin of any age, an Almah is a young woman that may or may not be a virgin...
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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For those that disagree, shouldnt a young woman of marriageable age be a virgin anyways back then?
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You assume this why?...
Probably because back then she could be of age but not marriageable due to her lack of virginity.
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Old 05-17-2019, 01:29 AM
 
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A betulah is a virgin of any age, an Almah is a young woman that may or may not be a virgin...
betulah is a virgin of any age, an Almah is a young woman that may or may not be a virgin, except if that ALMAH=young unmarried woman is pregnant, then she cannot be a virgin.

The New English Bible Isaiah 7: 14; "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: A young woman 'IS WITH CHILD' and she will bear a son, etc. A young woman who is with child is no longer a virgin.

The Good News Bible: Catholic Study Edition: Imprimatur by Archbishop John Whealon. Isaiah 7:14; "A young woman=ALMAH, 'WHO IS PREGNANT' will bear a son, etc. An Almah=Young unmarried woman, who is pregnant, cannot still be a virgin.




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Old 05-17-2019, 01:29 PM
 
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betulah is a virgin of any age, an Almah is a young woman that may or may not be a virgin, except if that ALMAH=young unmarried woman is pregnant, then she cannot be a virgin.

The New English Bible Isaiah 7: 14; "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: A young woman 'IS WITH CHILD' and she will bear a son, etc. A young woman who is with child is no longer a virgin.

The Good News Bible: Catholic Study Edition: Imprimatur by Archbishop John Whealon. Isaiah 7:14; "A young woman=ALMAH, 'WHO IS PREGNANT' will bear a son, etc. An Almah=Young unmarried woman, who is pregnant, cannot still be a virgin.




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