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Old 05-25-2019, 05:14 PM
 
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The first verse is describing Rebecca, the second is describing Rebecca from the man’s viewpoint because he didn’t know who it was or if she was married or chaste...

So there you go; we can agree on some things, perhaps later, we shall discover that there is more that we agree on, as opposed to that which we disagree on.
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Old 05-25-2019, 07:08 PM
 
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So there you go; we can agree on some things, perhaps later, we shall discover that there is more that we agree on, as opposed to that which we disagree on.
Yea, well it is obvious if one goes into it without preconceived notions or trying to fit what they've been indoctrinated with into the texts...
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Old 05-25-2019, 08:09 PM
 
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Yea, well it is obvious if one goes into it without preconceived notions or trying to fit what they've been indoctrinated with into the texts...
Did you actually say this?!
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Old 05-26-2019, 12:28 PM
 
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Did you actually say this?!
Sure did...
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Old 05-27-2019, 05:29 AM
 
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Genesis 24: 16; is referring to the sexual status of Rebecca, who was a virgin (bethulah).

Gen 24: 43; is in reference to any young woman (Almah) who was to come out and offer Abraham's servant a drink, who just happened to be Rebecca.

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Genesis 24: 16; is referring to the sexual status of Rebecca, who was a virgin (bethulah).

Gen 24: 43; is in reference to any young woman (Almah) who was to come out and offer Abraham's servant a drink, who just happened to be Rebecca.

While it is a general statement, God Answered the prayer with a virgin. Also a maiden was considered to be virgin and do you think Abraham's servant was praying for non-virgin for his master's son?



Also the 3 other times "almah" is use for maiden, it is unlikely they are not referring to a virgin.


Also there is no reason to ignore that Mary was a virgin and this fulfilled the Messianic prophecy of Isaiah.
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Old 05-27-2019, 05:38 AM
 
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No, Almah is a young woman that may or may not be a virgin and may or may not be married...



Not according to Charles Fienberg, who is an expert in Hebrew and knows more about the language than anyone in this forum.


Also if it can refer to a virgin there is no reason not to consider it fits the prophecy being fulfilled by Mary, who is definitely a young virgin.


"Also, If I remember right, the Sept. uses virgin in Isa 7:14.
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Old 05-27-2019, 05:43 AM
 
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While it is a general statement, God Answered the prayer with a virgin. Also a maiden was considered to be virgin and do you think Abraham's servant was praying for non-virgin for his master's son?



Also the 3 other times "almah" is use for maiden, it is unlikely they are not referring to a virgin.


Also there is no reason to ignore that Mary was a virgin and this fulfilled the Messianic prophecy of Isaiah.
Nope...
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Old 05-27-2019, 05:46 AM
 
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Not according to Charles Fienberg, who is an expert in Hebrew and knows more about the language than anyone in this forum.


Also if it can refer to a virgin there is no reason not to consider it fits the prophecy being fulfilled by Mary, who is definitely a young virgin.


"Also, If I remember right, the Sept. uses virgin in Isa 7:14.
Like I said, we Jews know what our Hebrew means...And Feinberg is a Christian...Again, the prophecy was referring to Hezekiah...
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Old 05-27-2019, 05:47 AM
 
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The wonderful counselor, mighty G-d called his name prince of peace...It is obviously you who needs a better source...And it wasn’t a virgin, it was a young woman...It was Abi, the wife of Ahaz...

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The wonderful counselor, mighty G-d called his name prince of peace...It is obviously you who needs a better source...

Obviously Hezakiah's son was never called any of he names in Isa 9:6 and his government did come to an end when he died



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And it wasn’t a virgin, it was a young woman...It was Abi, the wife of Ahaz...

According to Charles Feinberg, an expert in Hebrew, almah refers to a young woman who is a virgin. and there is no reason not to link Isa 7:14 to being fulfilled by Mary who was a young woman who was a virgin.
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Old 05-27-2019, 05:49 AM
 
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This is what it actually says in Hebrew:

Yeshayahu - Isaiah - Chapter 9
5 For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."

Agreed but Hezakiah's son was never called any of those names and his kingdom came to an end when he died.
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