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Old 04-29-2022, 08:30 AM
 
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How many times do you need it explaining to you the difference between reverence and fear ? You really are stiff-necked.

Perfect love casts out fear, its is right their in your bible just like " I have not given you a Spirit of fear". So, it is blatantly obvious to anyone who is remotely reasonable, that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Reverence, admiration, acclaiming and respecting is what it is referring to. Your fear based christianity is of the wicked one, you are still in your sin and leading others astray by your wickedness.
The fear of the Lord is wisdom (Job 28:28).

And the fear of the Lord is defined as terror in 2 Corinthians 5:11.

 
Old 04-29-2022, 11:25 AM
 
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As far as I am concerned, all sin is fear driven. The very reason you not only believe in eternal hell but have absolute faith in it, is fueled by fear. The Lord Jesus Christ became what we are to deliver us from fear into His love where there is not only no fear but a place where fear never ever exists. The very first thing Adam and Eve did was hide themselves in fear. God literally became fearful to them, that fear did not come from God(2 Tim 1:7), it came out of their own hearts.

To get straight to the point, believing in eternal hell is sinful and the cause of that sin is fear. Deny it as much as you want, you are in fear and sinning if you believe in eternal hell.


There is NO FEAR >>>>>> in love; But perfect love >>>> casts out fear: because >>>> fear hath torment. He that feareth IS NOT >>>>>made perfect in love.

For God HAS NOT given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
JBF himself says he came to God because of the LOVE of God He encountered when he promised to come to God. But he has read the Bible because he was told that is the word of God instead of Jesus. He has become like our primitive ancestors during the schoolmaster stage who HAD to be motivated by fear of God to begin them on the path to wisdom. JBF is stuck in that past and his heart is hardened under the veil of wrath and vengeance from reading the OT and Moses even though he THINKS he is following Jesus. He is truly misguided as were our ancestors described in 2nd Corinthians 3:14-17.
 
Old 04-29-2022, 02:02 PM
 
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In your understanding, perfect love casts out wisdom! And God has not given us a spirit of wisdom!

Job 28:28, And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

The fear of the Lord is excluded from the fear that is being spoken of in the verses that you are quoting.
You are a wolf in sheep's clothing, mate.

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father…

Let us therefore come boldly (if you are jbf, come in fear) to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

In Him and through faith in Him we may enter God's presence with boldness and confidence.

Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

A bold and confident believer in Christ does not come to God in fear, he goes to God in absolute faith and assurance of God's heart towards them.

Fear is faith working against you rather than for you.

That which I greatly feared came upon me.
 
Old 04-29-2022, 02:56 PM
 
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You are a wolf in sheep's clothing, mate.

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father…

Let us therefore come boldly (if you are jbf, come in fear) to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

In Him and through faith in Him we may enter God's presence with boldness and confidence.

Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

A bold and confident believer in Christ does not come to God in fear, he goes to God in absolute faith and assurance of God's heart towards them.

Fear is faith working against you rather than for you.

That which I greatly feared came upon me.
My only desire is to give. I am not here attempting to devour anyone. I am wanting people to repent and receive the truth and to change their ways so that they can go to heaven. That is not the behaviour of a wolf.

Mat 5:10, Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11, Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12, Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


2Co 6:4, But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
2Co 6:5, In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
2Co 6:6, By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
2Co 6:7, By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
2Co 6:8, By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
2Co 6:9, As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
2Co 6:10, As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
 
Old 04-29-2022, 03:02 PM
 
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JBF himself says he came to God because of the LOVE of God He encountered when he promised to come to God. But he has read the Bible because he was told that is the word of God instead of Jesus. He has become like our primitive ancestors during the schoolmaster stage who HAD to be motivated by fear of God to begin them on the path to wisdom. JBF is stuck in that past and his heart is hardened under the veil of wrath and vengeance from reading the OT and Moses even though he THINKS he is following Jesus. He is truly misguided as were our ancestors described in 2nd Corinthians 3:14-17.
Oh Lord, break through to their hardened hearts!

The Bible speaks entirely of Jesus in the volume of the Book (Hebrews 10:7).

It testifies of Him (John 5:39-40).

He has magnified it above all His name (Psalms 138:2).

That means that He has exalted it to a very high place. It even testifies perfectly of who the Lord is and we can trust in the fact that we can read it to get to know Jesus better and that it will not steer us in the wrong direction;

As though it were written by "savage primitives"

Jesus said that He would send the Holy Spirit to guide the apostles into all truth!
 
Old 04-29-2022, 03:09 PM
 
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My only desire is to give. I am not here attempting to devour anyone. I am wanting people to repent and receive the truth and to change their ways so that they can go to heaven. That is not the behaviour of a wolf.

Mat 5:10, Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11, Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12, Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


2Co 6:4, But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
2Co 6:5, In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
2Co 6:6, By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
2Co 6:7, By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
2Co 6:8, By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
2Co 6:9, As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
2Co 6:10, As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
What you are sharing is condemnation. That's what a wolf in sheep's clothing does.
 
Old 04-29-2022, 03:44 PM
 
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What you are sharing is condemnation. That's what a wolf in sheep's clothing does.
So, Moses was a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing (2 Corinthians 3:7-9).

Got it.
 
Old 04-29-2022, 04:24 PM
 
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So, Moses was a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing (2 Corinthians 3:7-9).

Got it.
Quoting bible verses does not mean you are not a minister of condemnation.
 
Old 04-29-2022, 04:31 PM
 
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Quoting bible verses does not mean you are not a minister of condemnation.
Being a minister of both condemnation and righteousness does not make me a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing, either.

Otherwise Moses was a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing.

2Co 3:7, But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8, How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9, For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


Notice that the Bible teaches that there is a certain glory in the ministry of condemnation.
 
Old 04-29-2022, 04:57 PM
 
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Being a minister of both condemnation and righteousness does not make me a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing, either.

Otherwise Moses was a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing.

2Co 3:7, But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8, How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9, For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


Notice that the Bible teaches that there is a certain glory in the ministry of condemnation.
You cannot be both, what is wrong with you? Do you not understand what James meant when he said bitter and sweet water cannot flow out there same fountain ? You can take that verse of scripture and apply it to understand anything that is or not of our Heavenly Father. It will never fail you in understanding what is of God and what isn't.


For the law was given by Moses, BUT grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


Why do you think that BUT is there?

The truth that Jesus is referring to hear is the reality of God and the reality of God was made known to us by Jesus Christ, for that is what He IS, the exact representation of ALL that God is. This reality of God that Jesus Christ whom the scriptures testify of made manifest, is beyond our wildest dreams. It is only the dark clouds of pre conceived ideas about God that block the light of his glory penetrating through so that we see God for all that He is. Anyone who listens to the condemning garbage you are serving up mixed with bible verses is an absolute fool.
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