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It is written of Jesus Christ in the volume of the Book (Hebrews 10:7, John 5:39-40, Psalms 138:2).
And you know of Him but not Him otherwise mercy would flow from your lips and not judgment. In your 'gospel' Jesus says....Father , do not forgive them but ready the ovens, look what they did .
And you know of Him but not Him otherwise mercy would flow from your lips and not judgment. In your 'gospel' Jesus says....Father , do not forgive them but ready the ovens, look what they did .
Mal 2:17, Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?
The fact is, the God of judgment is right here...He is Omnipresent; and He is a God of judgment.
Isa 56:1, Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2, Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Jhn 7:24, Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Phl 1:9, And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
Isa 11:1, And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2, And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3, And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4, But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Jhn 7:24, Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
What is righteous judgment jbf? An infinite life sentence with no chance of parole for a finite crime? How is that any different than getting a life sentence here on Earth for a speeding ticket? You cry judgement all the time yet do not care if this judgment is no where close to being fair or just. You keep saying I need to point out to people they are sinners. Really? Wasn't that John the Baptists job? YOUR job is to claim that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, the only name to call upon. It is the Holy Spirit's job to convict people of sin it is not your job.
Grave sins against God are not "finite". They are infinite in their gravity because God is infinite in Goodness and Majesty.
But not infinite in any other attribute such as Mercy or Charity?
This was Aquinas' reasoning, which sounds more like medieval feudal thought than Christian:
The magnitude of the punishment matches the magnitude of the sin. Now a sin that is against God is infinite; the higher the person against whom it is committed, the graver the sin - it is more criminal to strike a head of state than a private citizen - and God is of infinite greatness. Therefore an infinite punishment is deserved for a sin committed against Him.
More criminal to strike one person than another? LOL
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But not infinite in any other attribute such as Mercy or Charity?
All of the above. There is no conflict.
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Originally Posted by wellsmaine
This was Aquinas' reasoning, which sounds more like medieval feudal thought than Christian:
"Medieval feudal thought" was thoroughly Christian...
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Originally Posted by wellsmaine
The magnitude of the punishment matches the magnitude of the sin. Now a sin that is against God is infinite; the higher the person against whom it is committed, the graver the sin - it is more criminal to strike a head of state than a private citizen - and God is of infinite greatness. Therefore an infinite punishment is deserved for a sin committed against Him.
More criminal to strike one person than another? LOL
Yes. This ought to be obvious.
If French Revolution egalitarianism has so clouded your intellect that you are incapable of perceiving hierarchy among persons, maybe framing it differently will help:
"It is more criminal to strike a woman or a child than an adult male."
"Medieval feudal thought" was thoroughly Christian...
Yes. This ought to be obvious.
If French Revolution egalitarianism has so clouded your intellect that you are incapable of perceiving hierarchy among persons, maybe framing it differently will help:
"It is more criminal to strike a woman or a child than an adult male."
From that reply I would have to ask: Does your country club still not admit Jews or Blacks? LOL
Mar 9:49**For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt
A Living Sacrifice
Rom 12:1**I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2**And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Why would being purified be considered danger to Jesus Christ ? You not making sense, not even common sense.
Why would being purified be considered danger to Jesus Christ ? You not making sense, not even common sense.
You are not making any sense. Read and understand:
Matt 5:22
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger (G1777) of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger (G1777) of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger (G1777) of hell fire (GEHENNA).
The "danger" in this verse is Strong's G1777 ENOCHOS which has meanings relating to be liable in court - such as:
-bound, under obligation, subject to, liable
-used of one who is held by, possessed with love, and zeal for anything
-in a forensic sense, denoting the connection of a person either with his crime, or with the penalty or trial, or with that against whom or which he has offended
-guilty, worthy of punishment
-guilty of anything
-of the crime
-of the penalty
-liable to this or that tribunal i.e. the punishment to by imposed by this or that tribunal
-of the place where punishment is to be suffered
(Check your concordance to confirm)
It is not really meaning something "dangerous", but something you will be held liable for. Dangerous in the sense of something you will be accountable for.
You can even see it in the context.
- being angry with a brother -> judgment
- calling his brother RACA (a term of contempt) -> judgment by the council (local law)
- calling someone a fool -> GEHENNA. Its not "hell fire"; that is a biased translation. Again check your own concordance.
Now why would calling someone RACA only demand judgment by the local council, but calling someone a fool should lead to "hell"? You can see that "Hell fire" is a complete mistranslation here. None of these offenses are talking about any sort of eternal punishment.
Jesus is saying that you should resolve these matters yourself lest you be caught up in some form of judgment or trial. He is also using this as a parable for the larger matters of judgment in life. It was also common to use hyperbole. Gehenna was the local garbage dump where criminals were thrown - and it was possible if you got into a big argument you would end up there DEAD. That is what Jesus was talking about.
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