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Seems to me this "porn" issue is a bit one sided..
Seems to me like the arguments so far are:
1. The women who pose in porn are being taken advantage of
2. Men who look at porn are will always develop a problem
So.. I guess my question is.. what about the men who pose with the women in porn? Are they women the only ones being taken advantage of? Why is that? Is it because they are stupid? Seems pretty sexist to me. Are men the only ones that look at porn? Seems like thats missing like half the market out there? Again.. not very efficient if you ask me...
So why is it.. that "women" are the only ones that are "degraded" in porn. Men pose too? Men participate too..
Thanks for the apology, words on online forums can be easily interpreted wrong. Thanks for the clarification. No ill feelings.
I think we may be going off on a tagent with this but I will answer your question. Yes my views in general are usually very unique, I don't know many people who have the same as me. And yes the greek paintings depicting erections could be considered art. It crosses the line of what I consider art, but then again the word art is relative. I've seen a plain white canvas with one black dot in the center and not only is it called art, it's been on display in the metro museum.
Back to the topic of porn. I believe it to be very degrading to women and likely addictive for men. I also think that pictures of people engaging in sexual activity defiles what I hold as a sacred connection to another person. Nothing could be more distasteful for me. Many people may disagree with me (especially men) but like I said before, I'm not your average duck.
LOL @ "not your average duck".
I guess it comes down to how you view sex (I'm trying to understand where you're coming from and why you hold the positions you hold). A lot of my questions are probing to see if I can understand it. From my position, for example, I view sex an action that is not inherently anything other than the sum of its parts and the consequences it brings (sometimes only pleasure, sometimes increased responsibility, pain, etc.) I'm trying to understand the positions of others, especially those who show eloquence because I expect them to be able to express their position better.
I guess it comes down to how you view sex (I'm trying to understand where you're coming from and why you hold the positions you hold). A lot of my questions are probing to see if I can understand it. From my position, for example, I view sex an action that is not inherently anything other than the sum of its parts and the consequences it brings (sometimes only pleasure, sometimes increased responsibility, pain, etc.) I'm trying to understand the positions of others, especially those who show eloquence because I expect them to be able to express their position better.
Well, I cannot be anymore clear to you on why I view porn the way I do, without delving into my private life and past experiences. That said, I would be opening up my vulnerable side to the "world" and I'm just not going to do that. Hope you understand.
What I can say is that porn can be a form of sex addiction, which then progresses into full blown sex addiction (anonymous sex, ect..) I've seen it happen and watched helplessly as a loved one struggled (for years) to "stop". Unfortunately the addiction got the best of him
Seems to me this "porn" issue is a bit one sided..
Seems to me like the arguments so far are:
1. The women who pose in porn are being taken advantage of
2. Men who look at porn are will always develop a problem
So.. I guess my question is.. what about the men who pose with the women in porn? Are they women the only ones being taken advantage of? Why is that? Is it because they are stupid? Seems pretty sexist to me. Are men the only ones that look at porn? Seems like thats missing like half the market out there? Again.. not very efficient if you ask me...
So why is it.. that "women" are the only ones that are "degraded" in porn. Men pose too? Men participate too..
What be the deelio my peeps?
Personally I don't care for porn and would feel like I wasn't doing my job as a wife if my husband felt the need to have it around, however:
1. I don't believe all women who pose in porn are being taken advantage of anymore then other women in the workplace.
2. I can tell you for sure that not ALL men who view porn develop a problem.
Seems to me this "porn" issue is a bit one sided..
Seems to me like the arguments so far are:
1. The women who pose in porn are being taken advantage of
2. Men who look at porn are will always develop a problem
So.. I guess my question is.. what about the men who pose with the women in porn? Are they women the only ones being taken advantage of? Why is that? Is it because they are stupid? Seems pretty sexist to me. Are men the only ones that look at porn? Seems like thats missing like half the market out there? Again.. not very efficient if you ask me...
So why is it.. that "women" are the only ones that are "degraded" in porn. Men pose too? Men participate too..
What be the deelio my peeps?
Well, bigthirsty...
first of all... When you start talking about men posing in porn you aren't talking about Playboy magazine kind of porn... are you??
Yes, men who are involved in porn are degrading themselves... The men involved are most likely willing participants. I know there are exceptions in some of the darker areas... but most of the men are sex addicts and various kinds of lost souls who may believe that porn is art and expression of their freedom. They suffer from such low morals that making money "the easy way" is all that matters - and this is how they make their money. No different than a stripper or a prostitute. And, we all know that there are also males in both of those "professions", as well.
Men who look at porn are also degrading themselves... whether or not they "develop a problem". Being a sexual voyeur, looking at pictures of a women lustfully... is not good for your soul or your spirit. And, if you're married, it is equal to adultery.
Don't get mad at me, it's the Word of God!
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first of all... When you start talking about men posing in porn you aren't talking about Playboy magazine kind of porn... are you??
Am I not? You tell me. I tend not to buy male porn and thus I'm not very versed on the subject. Sorry.
Anyway I thought porn was porn.. no? Are we into different "levels" of porn now? This is gonna be interesting..
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Yes, men who are involved in porn are degrading themselves...
What if they wear tight underwear.. and pictures are taken. Is that porn too? Are they also degrading themselves? What if they put on one sock while wearing tight underwear.. is porn?
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Yes, men who are involved in porn are degrading themselves...
Is it just the guy or gal in the picture or movie that are degrading themselves? What about the camera guy or gal.. or the lighting guy or gal (sorry don't really know "movie" terminology). Is everyone associated with it degrading themselves? What about the company that makes the paper to send to the magazine that has the account with the "porn" manufacturer. Are those workers also degrading themselves? Where does the line get drawn?
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The men involved are most likely willing participants.
I would say they are willing participants.. I don't know of many porn movies made where a guy or gal was forced at gunpoint to do what they do. But I must confess I don't keep up with this genre that much.. but I'm guessing if that did happen it would have made a news headline somewhere.
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but most of the men are sex addicts and various kinds of lost souls who may believe that porn is art and expression of their freedom.
Yeah I don't get this. On the one hand you say they are sex addicts and on the other hand they are lost souls who believe it is an art. Which is it?
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They suffer from such low morals that making money "the easy way" is all that matters - and this is how they make their money.
gotta source for this?
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Men who look at porn are also degrading themselves... whether or not they "develop a problem". Being a sexual voyeur, looking at pictures of a women lustfully... is not good for your soul or your spirit. And, if you're married, it is equal to adultery.
Again.. tell me where the degrading line ends.. At what point from a clothing perspective to a production perspective does it end..?
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Don't get mad at me, it's the Word of God!
I'm truly not sure why you would think I would be mad at you. Perplexing.
In the end my point was simply making a note that all the discussion had been centered around how horrible it was that these women had been taken advantage of.... like somehow the women were weak minded and couldn't think for themselves.. but the men weren't. Just thought the direction of discussion was interesting but thanks for your point of view on things.
Seems to me this "porn" issue is a bit one sided..
Seems to me like the arguments so far are:
1. The women who pose in porn are being taken advantage of
2. Men who look at porn are will always develop a problem
So.. I guess my question is.. what about the men who pose with the women in porn? Are they women the only ones being taken advantage of? Why is that? Is it because they are stupid? Seems pretty sexist to me. Are men the only ones that look at porn? Seems like thats missing like half the market out there? Again.. not very efficient if you ask me...
So why is it.. that "women" are the only ones that are "degraded" in porn. Men pose too? Men participate too..
What be the deelio my peeps?
You are getting a few responses to your question. As far as I'm concerned is the women are defiantly lining up to pose or be a part of what Pam Anderson and Jenna Jameson have made their millions on.
Women are defiantly not the victims in any of this. My point is women have tried to get past the "Just for Sex" look and these women and many others are making it glamorous and women are falling for this,some finding they are not making the money and fame. These same women are also, trying to sue and act like they are victims when it's time for a career that they fell victim to a guy with a camera, and now there careers are ruined or hard to get a foot in the door when these videos appear.
Like the call girl in Elliot Spitzer now she claims the guy from Girls Gone Wild is putting out videos that at the time she looked more then willing and didn't file 3 years ago that she had been put on video without her permission. This is going off topic but, it seems we have a lot more problems with porn then just in the military base. Seems to me it's more girls then guys promoting sleazy life styles and our young girls are watching and this is sending just the wrong message.
I would classify Playboy as porn just done in a not so sleazy way as Hustler and Penthouse. But, the image that we have of a 82 year old pervert is a little disturbing. For the most part most guys want to be Hugh Hefner at least this is what my teenage sons tell me. Yeah, his a great role model for our young men. He claims to have found his "SOUL-MATE" in Holly, but doesn't want to marry her. The other two girls are not sure where they stand in his world and Kendra has just announced to the British papers Hef doesn't fulfill her sexually, this is really more then I wanted to know. Like how long did it take the bleach to wear off of her head to figure out an 82 year old man is not going to satisfy a 22 year old in bed and he's probably not suppose to!!!
This is what OUR CHILDREN are seeing and wanting to be a part of!!! Our YOUTH should be of greater concern and the damage all of this is leading too.
Marriage is hard enough to keep together and when looking at these women and men I believe people forget they are paid to look good and your average man and women have real life to deal with and it goes way beyond sexual fantasies. Once most of these women have children they don't look the same and airbrushing is always an opition.
TMI here I'm sure -- but I've worked. It was not degrading, I was not a victim, and if anything I felt proud to know that my beauty was being admired. In fact, one of the pictures is framed and hanging on my bedroom wall I'm wearing a pair of large angel wings and I am drenched in water leaning back on a rock waterfall. It's art -- it may be used to arouse, but it's still art and I am proud of my work.
TMI here I'm sure -- but I've worked. It was not degrading, I was not a victim, and if anything I felt proud to know that my beauty was being admired. In fact, one of the pictures is framed and hanging on my bedroom wall I'm wearing a pair of large angel wings and I am drenched in water leaning back on a rock waterfall. It's art -- it may be used to arouse, but it's still art and I am proud of my work.
Thanks for asking. Lior Arel is a Hebrew name. Lior in English is "My Light" and Arel in English is "Angel".
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equality?....
This is going off topic but, it seems we have a lot more problems with porn then just in the military base. Seems to me it's more girls then guys promoting sleazy life styles and our young girls are watching and this is sending just the wrong message.
