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Old 06-27-2021, 01:55 AM
 
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It would seem that it is actually satan (the god of this world) who hides the truth from unbelievers (2 Corinthians 4:2-4).
Religious men believe they are the god of this world, just listen to yourself sometime.
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Old 06-27-2021, 03:17 AM
 
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There are many faith prophets of the Lord that have a hard time understanding what God said through them, so they don't make sense when they interpret, God's Spirit will interpret through His teaching gifts of the Spirit ...... Like God used the term `Eagle ` to describe `America` in a prophecy I heard recently and if you did not understand why Eagle was used the prophecy may not make any sense
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Old 06-27-2021, 06:46 AM
 
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Matt. 13:10-13

"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand."


The Lord presents two different classifications of people here. Those who really want to know God's way, and those who were just curious of His way.

This is the dividing line of those who want righteousness and those who don't.

For those who want righteousness the Lord will give more righteousness, those who have no desire for it will lose what little they have.

This is referring to hearing the Gospel of Christ and receiving or rejecting it.

Those who receive Christ will increase in righteousness, and just the opposite for those who reject Him.

So what determines whether one will understand the truth the scripture teaches?

Prov. 1:23

"Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you."


When we truly repent and turn from our unrighteousness, the Holy Spirit is given to us and He will teach us the truth in Christ. Your eyes will be opened to the truth in scripture and He will guide you in that truth.


Of the two classifications of people that Christ presented, which one are you?

You actually answered your own question Charlie. Why was it not given to "them"? Heart condition sir. For some strange reason, the person does not want it. Makes no sense to me.
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Old 06-27-2021, 06:52 AM
 
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You actually answered your own question Charlie. Why was it not given to "them"? Heart condition sir. For some strange reason, the person does not want it. Makes no sense to me.
Makes no sense to me either, Hiway. I think there are several reasons involved, with the love of sin being at the top of the list. imo
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Old 06-27-2021, 07:30 AM
 
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Makes no sense to me either, Hiway. I think there are several reasons involved, with the love of sin being at the top of the list. imo
Apparently, you miss the mark quite often, Charlie.
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Old 06-29-2021, 02:36 AM
 
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Religious men believe they are the god of this world, just listen to yourself sometime.
God bless you.
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Old 06-29-2021, 07:48 AM
 
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You have a wrong understanding of why Jesus spoke in parables.


A parable is a “dark sayingâ€
Jesus is the “lightâ€
A parable by itself stays hidden in the “darknessâ€, but when the “light†comes, the parable is understood.
Therefore, when Jesus (who is the light) spoke in parables it was to bring into light that which was once in darkness.
Look at all the times in scripture Jesus spoke a parable and the Scribes and the Pharisees perceived that He spoke it of them. These were not humble men, but proud and haughty men and the parable Jesus spoke opened their eyes to the truth.
A parable is to bring to light that which was in darkness.

Matthew 13:34-35
34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: 35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
If this scripture is true then the thought that Jesus spoke in parables to hide the secrets CANNOT be correct.
A parable is something that is used to set side by side with the truth in order to illuminate the truth. It is not set side by side with the truth in order to hide the truth.
Jesus being the truth and the light can only speak truth and light, therefore He does not hide the light in a parable He uses a parable to illuminate the light.
So let’s set side by side the KJV and Young’s literal (YL) and see if we can understand if these parables were to illuminate or to hide the meaning.

KJV
Matthew 13:10-23
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

YL
10 And the disciples having come near, said to him, `Wherefore in similes dost thou speak to them?'

This is pretty plain; the disciples are asking Jesus why He spoke unto the multitudes in parables.

KJV
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

YL
11 And he answering said to them that -- `To you it hath been given to know the secrets of the reign of the heavens, and to these it hath not been given,

Jesus answer to the question is The Child of God knows the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven and to those who are without it has not been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus did not speak the parables so the child of God would know the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven, He spoke in parables so that those without could understand the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven.
To put it in our everyday language
Why do you speak to them in parables? Because they do not know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus spoke the parables that they might know the mysteries, as the mysteries were already given to the child of God.

This is brought out more fully here

KJV
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

YL
12 for whoever hath, it shall be given to him, and he shall have overabundance, and whoever hath not, even that which he hath shall be taken from him. 13 `Because of this, in similes do I speak to them, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor understand,

Jesus continues to explain why He speaks to them in parables.
The question is still why do you speak to them in parables.
Jesus answer is because they seeing do not see and hearing do not hear, nor understand.

To put it in our everyday language.
Why do you speak to them in parables? Because they do not know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven and because they seeing do not see and they hearing do not hear, nor understand.

Jesus is NOT saying He speaks in parables so that those seeing would not see and those hearing would not hear. He IS saying He speaks in parables because they do not see, hear or understand.

Jesus is bringing to light those things they do not understand.


KJV
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

YL
14 and fulfilled on them is the prophecy of Isaiah, that saith, With hearing ye shall hear, and ye shall not understand, and seeing ye shall see, and ye shall not perceive, 15 for made gross was the heart of this people, and with the ears they heard heavily, and their eyes they did close, lest they might see with the eyes, and with the ears might hear, and with the heart understand, and turn back, and I might heal them.


These scriptures are misunderstood by those who believe Jesus spoke in parables in order to hide His message.

Their understanding goes something like this.
Jesus hides the truth in parables so that the multitudes would NOT turn to Him, would not be converted and so could not be healed.

This understanding is in total disregards to what Jesus said why He spoke to the multitudes in parables. It is also in disregards to His purpose in coming into the world to save everyone in it.


What those scriptures are saying is that Isaiah prophesied that the multitudes in Jesus day would be hearing, and not hear, seeing, and not see because their heart had waxed gross. Jesus is saying because of these things, the heart waxing gross, the heavy ears, the closed eyes is the reason He had to speak to them in parables.

Why do you speak to them in parables? Because they do not know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven and because they seeing do not see and they hearing do not hear, nor understand.

This all comes to a head here the accumulation of what was said regarding the reason Jesus spoke in parables.

KJV
34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: 35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

YL
' 34 All these things spake Jesus in similes to the multitudes, and without a simile he was not speaking to them, 35 that it might be fulfilled that was spoken through the prophet, saying, `I will open in similes my mouth, I will utter things having been hidden from the foundation of the world.'

So the answer to whys Jesus spoke in parables is this.
Because they do not know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven and because they seeing do not see and they hearing do not hear, nor understand. I open my mouth in parables to utter things that have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Jesus did not utter parables to keep hidden the secrets, but to illuminate the secrets that were hidden from the foundation of the world.
Amen, brother. I just hope these pearls have not been mistakenly cast. One needs to know God as Jesus revealed and unambiguously demonstrated Him to be to recognize the truth spoken here. As long as the hearer believes in a wrathful, vengeful War God who needs to be appeased, the truth spoken here will not resonate.
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Old 07-04-2021, 01:30 PM
 
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When we truly repent and turn from our unrighteousness, the Holy Spirit is given to us and He will teach us the truth in Christ. Your eyes will be opened to the truth in scripture and He will guide you in that truth.


Of the two classifications of people that Christ presented, which one are you?
Praise God he opened my eyes to see the beauty and purity that is Jesus! God gave me a heart to know him back in February of 2013 and since that time he has constantly been turning my heart to know him more and to seek to know him more fully.

How glorious is the incarnate Son of God, our Lord Jesus the Christ!! In Him there is no deceit or guile, no spite or contempt, no weariness or impatience. But Oh God! How he is full of mercy and the most perfect Love! All who come to him and see his goodness--who come to him because they are weary of the labor of their soul and can find no rest from worldly grief--all who come to him find in him a perfect rest and peace that the world cannot give.

Blessed be those to whom God has shown mercy in opening their hearts to know him. Jesus is the solid rock upon which I stand and amidst the storms of life I cling to Him, for there is no other; there is no other rest but for that peace that is only found in Him.
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Old 07-04-2021, 02:04 PM
 
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Jesus said that he was teaching mysteries, the rule still is that mysteries is not available to those who is not spiritually ready.
11"About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. 12For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, 13for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. 14But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil."
Dogma does not work well with 'solid food'. This is why Jesus separated people in two categories.
6"Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom,"
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Old 07-04-2021, 03:03 PM
 
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Praise God he opened my eyes to see the beauty and purity that is Jesus! God gave me a heart to know him back in February of 2013 and since that time he has constantly been turning my heart to know him more and to seek to know him more fully.

How glorious is the incarnate Son of God, our Lord Jesus the Christ!! In Him there is no deceit or guile, no spite or contempt, no weariness or impatience. But Oh God! How he is full of mercy and the most perfect Love! All who come to him and see his goodness--who come to him because they are weary of the labor of their soul and can find no rest from worldly grief--all who come to him find in him a perfect rest and peace that the world cannot give.

Blessed be those to whom God has shown mercy in opening their hearts to know him. Jesus is the solid rock upon which I stand and amidst the storms of life I cling to Him, for there is no other; there is no other rest but for that peace that is only found in Him.
Amen Brother! Don't lose that testimony, it is mighty in the taking down of the strong holds of darkness in this world. The world needs your testimony, it needs your faith in Christ!

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