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Christianity teaches that mankind is in need of atonement and justification because of the sin of Adam, called original sin. If that is the case, wouldn't it have been logical that Jesus should have appeared at the very beginning to provide an atonement and discharging the price of sin through his blood on the cross? Because not only all mankind before the first century had no opportunity for SALVATION by Jesus on the cross, but even mankind worldwide who haven't known about him until now are denied the possibility of salvation.
At least we should have seen some explicit explanation how the Messiah/Savior could only come in the First Century, denying the sinners because of Adam's original sin any salvation on the cross who lived BEFORE Jesus. But we don't, and nothing explicit is stated in the New Testament that compares the situation of mankind BEFORE the first century to that AFTER the appearance of Jesus. Not only that but even AFTER his crucifixion one could say that 99.99% of mankind knew nothing of him, and therefore had no salvation then either.
I think Jehovah handled it the best way, the real truth of the sin was that we asked God to butt out of our lives and we would make our own choices. He granted us that request. Jehovah is going to allow this world to go to the point of extinction and then step in Mat 24:22 That will help you to remember what it was like when satan is released to tempt you once again.
I think Jehovah handled it the best way, the real truth of the sin was that we asked God to butt out of our lives and we would make our own choices. He granted us that request. Jehovah is going to allow this world to go to the point of extinction and then step in Mat 24:22 That will help you to remember what it was like when satan is released to tempt you once again.
So, you believe that God created the world, then left it to operate under the natural laws devised by him; based on man's self-determination?
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Christianity teaches that mankind is in need of atonement and justification because of the sin of Adam, called original sin. If that is the case, wouldn't it have been logical that Jesus should have appeared at the very beginning to provide an atonement and discharging the price of sin through his blood on the cross? Because not only all mankind before the first century had no opportunity for SALVATION by Jesus on the cross, but even mankind worldwide who haven't known about him until now are denied the possibility of salvation.
At least we should have seen some explicit explanation how the Messiah/Savior could only come in the First Century, denying the sinners because of Adam's original sin any salvation on the cross who lived BEFORE Jesus. But we don't, and nothing explicit is stated in the New Testament that compares the situation of mankind BEFORE the first century to that AFTER the appearance of Jesus. Not only that but even AFTER his crucifixion one could say that 99.99% of mankind knew nothing of him, and therefore had no salvation then either.
Your misunderstanding of Gods word perverts Gods precepts.
Learning error has confused your mind.
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Original Sin and (Ezekiel 18:20) oppose one another.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Can you see how they oppose one another?
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Those in the OT were saved by "truth and grace" just as men today.
Gen. 6:8 ¶ But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
How was Noah saved by grace?
Ge 6:22 ¶ Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.
Those in the NT today have a chance of being taught the gospel. (Mark 16:15,16) (Mt. 28:18-20)
The whole world was taught "truth" in the first century. (Col. 1:6,23)
Col 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world;
Ro 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
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Under both Covenants people were saved by "truth and grace".
When they "obeyed the instructions of the Lord" (truth) they were blessed by Gods "grace".(Heb. 5:9) (Acts 10:33-35) (Acts 3:19) (Acts 2:38,47 ; 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 22:16)
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It only takes "one generation" not teaching their children the gospel for "many generations" to be lost forever.
Deut. 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Friend, the blood of Christ covers all those who are obedient to the Lord regardless of which covenant they lived under.
Christianity teaches that mankind is in need of atonement and justification because of the sin of Adam, called original sin. If that is the case, wouldn't it have been logical that Jesus should have appeared at the very beginning to provide an atonement and discharging the price of sin through his blood on the cross? Because not only all mankind before the first century had no opportunity for SALVATION by Jesus on the cross, but even mankind worldwide who haven't known about him until now are denied the possibility of salvation.
At least we should have seen some explicit explanation how the Messiah/Savior could only come in the First Century, denying the sinners because of Adam's original sin any salvation on the cross who lived BEFORE Jesus. But we don't, and nothing explicit is stated in the New Testament that compares the situation of mankind BEFORE the first century to that AFTER the appearance of Jesus. Not only that but even AFTER his crucifixion one could say that 99.99% of mankind knew nothing of him, and therefore had no salvation then either.
The Bible holds out hope for both the righteous and unrighteous.
"And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous."-Acts 24:15
"And... I... have... hope"...Hope is an optimistic state of mind. Thus, the hope does not lie in resurrecting the unrighteous only to condemn them for what they did in ignorance. Rather, hope lies in resurrecting them for what they do with that gift.
"Your dead shall live, their corpses shall rise. O dwellers in the dust, awake and sing for joy! For your dew is a radiant dew, and the earth will give birth to those long dead."-Isaiah 26:19
There are Christian religions such as the one I belong to who believe the Bible teaches: 1) some go to heaven but 2) a great many of those who have lived are resurrected to a transformed earth.
If you think the above is contrary to what the majority of Christian religions/sects teach you are correct. However, Bible scholars, both conservative and liberal ones, have discovered the below:
" In classic Judaism and first-century Christianity, believers expected this world would be transformed into God’s Kingdom — a restored Eden where redeemed human beings would be liberated from death, illness, sin and other corruptions."-https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/nt-wright-asks-have-we-gotten-heaven-all-wrong/2012/05/16/gIQAD4lTUU_story.html
So stating that 99.99% of mankind have no salvation is not consistent with the NT(Christian Greek Scriptures) nor OT (Hebrew Scriptures) nor what Bible scholarship has revealed. I would invite you to read the above article and get a modern day translation of the Bible and explore what Gehenna, second death, resurrection mean. Bonus points for exploring what "the end" means Hint: it's not the literal end of the earth. And, where did the concept of "hellfire" come from. Oh and God's Kingdom...what is it? that's key.
Christianity teaches that mankind is in need of atonement and justification because of the sin of Adam, called original sin. If that is the case, wouldn't it have been logical that Jesus should have appeared at the very beginning to provide an atonement and discharging the price of sin through his blood ..................
At least we should have seen some explicit explanation how the Messiah/Savior could only come in the First Century, denying the sinners because of Adam's original sin any salvation on the cross who lived BEFORE Jesus. But we don't, and nothing explicit is stated in the New Testament that compares the situation of mankind BEFORE the first century to that AFTER the appearance of Jesus. Not only that but even AFTER his crucifixion one could say that 99.99% of mankind knew nothing of him, and therefore had no salvation then either.
Jesus as Messiah could have appeared at that beginning time.
God already promised at Genesis 3:15 about the coming promised ' seed ' (Messiah)
The passing of time is what was needed for us to be born and think who we would like as Sovereign over us.
In brief, Daniel wrote about Messiah coming and thus the first-century people were in expectation of Messiah coming according to Luke 3:15.
It doesn't matter if 99.99% of mankind knew nothing of Jesus.
Think about this: ALL the people who died before Jesus did Not have the opportunity to put faith in him (John 3:13)
Their opportunity is future, future via resurrection - Acts 24:15; Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39.
Please notice that Acts 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.......
So, that resurrection has Not yet taken place. That resurrection takes place on Resurrection Day meaning Jesus' Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years.
In other words, their hope is Not a heavenly hope but earthly, to live forever on Earth. Everlasting life on Earth.
Or, as Jesus promised that humble meek people will inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5; Psalm 37:9-11.
The bottom line is that no one can provide any actual empirical evidence of how salvation could possibly work before the person of Jesus was crucified as the sacrifice...................
Ouch ^ ! To me the bottom line is: Resurrection - There is going to be a resurrection.... see Acts 24:15.
Those who died before Jesus (John 3:13; Hebrews 11:13,39) will have the opportunity for salvation when they are resurrected. Resurrected on 'Resurrection Day' (Jesus' Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years)
People like King David ( Acts 2:34) can gain salvation when he like Daniel are resurrected on Earth - Daniel 12:13.
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