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let us try example of reading of Paul's . Say Romans 1:
'Servant of Christ Jesus' indicates that letter addressed to pneumatic element of 1 Cor 2,
Paul, chosen apostle, 'Jesus Christ our Lord; -this part indicates addressing to 'natural' element
of 1 Cor 2. 'including you who are called to belong to Jesus Christ,' - still addressed to 'natural' element. 'saint' indicates pneumatic element. "I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I mention you
'I thank my God through Jesus Christ' again addressed to natural element, that lacks of spirit. -
'impart to you some spiritual gift to strengthen you—'
we may be mutually' both natural and spiritual elements..., e.t.c. reading Paul.
Yes there are different levels and types
And depending what level you are at, and what type, that will determine what you see/perceive/understand relating to the time/season
these things were from the beginning and are written to specific types/ministers/assemblies which have used them at their own time/generation/season fulfilling the things “written/recorded”
The thread assumes the veracity of the letters and teachings of Paul. Yet there is no evidence that it is factual at all. That's all I meant to say.
Yes it does, I’m interested in discussing with people the meaning and connection in the writings which coincide/relate to other Scriptural writings - not in debating if they are “Scripture”
And my focus is on the grace and peace there
You can start another thread if you want to debate if they are factual
How is it that outside of the historical Orthodox Church narrative (accepted by all Christian denominations, no matter how anti-Vatican they are) there is not a single shred of evidence that anyone named Paul wrote any letters to any Christian communities or that they received such letters. For that matter there isn't a shred of evidence that any such communities even existed anywhere in the 1st century OUTSIDE of the Church's one-sided narrative of history.
Hi Meerkat. Pertaining to the verses concerning Paul what exactly are you being drawn to? Is it the fact that Paul is expressing God's grace and/or peace to the recipients of his letters? How does timing and placement apply to these verses? I'm just trying to understand what you are trying to convey.
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It’s actually hard for some things to be put in words
Yes it does have to do with the grace and peace which is to the churches that are built upon the rock
And which is set apart or “dedicated” for Gods work in creation
And the timing and placement has to with us collectively (Jews, gentile, Romans, barbarian, etc) correctly understanding/seeing/perceiving the dimensional nature of the kingdom which is composite, the same as individuals are composite spirit/flesh having soul
I was thinking of the purpose of Christianity in relation to Abraham as the Father of many nations when replying to Turbosixx in the thread Roman’s 4 and thought of this thread
What struck me then (and still does) is the same formula of grace and peace are like bookmarks, the beginning and end, with tribulation and division and diversity written about in between them
Gnosticism is a natural outgrowth of the two disparate descriptions of the nature of God we call the OT and the NT. Our ancestors did not recognize that only the descriptions were disparate, NOT the God who is being described. The stark differences between the God of Jesus and the God of our ancestors are why the Gnostics believed in two different Gods - one good and one evil!
Our ancestors had very primitive and unsophisticated minds. Different descriptions HAD to mean different Gods. But their notion of soulish (Carnal minds) and pneumatics(Spiritual minds) is accurate. It is the main problem Jesus had communicating the True Nature of God to our ancestors who were VERY carnal-minded and terrified of Spirits!! Sadly, the carnal minds won out over the spiritual during the early years and they have been dominant for over two millennia.
Gnosticism is a natural outgrowth of the two disparate descriptions of the nature of God we call the OT and the NT. Our ancestors did not recognize that only the descriptions were disparate, NOT the God who is being described. The stark differences between the God of Jesus and the God of our ancestors are why the Gnostics believed in two different Gods - one good and one evil!
Our ancestors had very primitive and unsophisticated minds. Different descriptions HAD to mean different Gods. But their notion of soulish (Carnal minds) and pneumatics(Spiritual minds) is accurate. It is the main problem Jesus had communicating the True Nature of God to our ancestors who were VERY carnal-minded and terrified of Spirits!! Sadly, the carnal minds won out over the spiritual during the early years and they have been dominant for over two millennia.
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