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To review a centuries-old debate, there is great difficulty in trying to explain why God, with His all-encompassing knowledge, power and goodness, should be angered by the actions of people. Anger is the result of not getting your way. If God is angry, something must have happened to thwart His desire . . . and that flies in the face of God's omni-attributes.
At this point, someone says, "Yes, but God voluntarily surrenders his omni-attributes to give man free will - - the ability to thwart the holy desire."
My answer to that is this: If God wants to surrender His Omni-attributes for the sake of free will, while allowing all the sin he foresaw in ages past to continue unchecked, then God's desire is not thwarted, and one wonders what there could be to be angry about.
Anger can be, but is not necessarily the result of not getting your way. That kind would be a sinful anger, and is a human trait; it does not apply to God.
Righteous anger is a proper and appropriate reaction to injustice being done.
God surrenders nothing.
Man has free will, and God predestines.
Anger can be, but is not necessarily the result of not getting your way. That kind would be a sinful anger, and is a human trait; it does not apply to God.
Righteous anger is a proper and appropriate reaction to injustice being done.
The refusal to acknowledge that we have been given Dominion and free will here is the result of the very human demand that God to qualify AS God MUST be in control of everything that happens. The existing evidence down here is that He does no such thing!!! As His children, our task is to develop the spiritual maturity to bring His Will to earth through OUR actions. Frustrating that task by our greed, ignorance, lust, and many perversions, does not thwart God and provoke His non-existent anger, but it definitely saddens Him.
Fortunately, He is longsuffering and patient because given the current state of affairs we are nowhere close to achieving that spiritual maturity as a species. The existence of billionaires (individual and corporate) and starving and dying children is the clearest evidence of our species' misguided priorities!!! The existence of individual spiritual successes is encouraging, but not probative, IMO.
To review a centuries-old debate, there is great difficulty in trying to explain why God, with His all-encompassing knowledge, power and goodness, should be angered by the actions of people. Anger is the result of not getting your way. If God is angry, something must have happened to thwart His desire . . . and that flies in the face of God's omni-attributes.
At this point, someone says, "Yes, but God voluntarily surrenders his omni-attributes to give man free will - - the ability to thwart the holy desire."
My answer to that is this: If God wants to surrender His Omni-attributes for the sake of free will, while allowing all the sin he foresaw in ages past to continue unchecked, then God's desire is not thwarted, and one wonders what there could be to be angry about.
I don't see it as either or, I see them as working together.
Free will and predestination are logically incompatible. Free will means "under no compulsion", and compulsion is everywhere in world that is predestined.
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
Anger can be, but is not necessarily the result of not getting your way. That kind would be a sinful anger, and is a human trait; it does not apply to God.
Righteous anger is a proper and appropriate reaction to injustice being done.
You are saying that God's anger is caused by something other than "not getting His way." but something else - injustice, which is not a thing that keeps God from getting His way. If that is right, then when injustice happens it isn't an example of God "not getting his way". In fact, you would have to say that injustice is his way. I am not saying that's true, but only pointing out the logical conclusion of the idea that God is angry about things that are not opposed to His will.
To review a centuries-old debate, there is great difficulty in trying to explain why God, with His all-encompassing knowledge, power and goodness, should be angered by the actions of people. Anger is the result of not getting your way. If God is angry, something must have happened to thwart His desire . . . and that flies in the face of God's omni-attributes.
At this point, someone says, "Yes, but God voluntarily surrenders his omni-attributes to give man free will - - the ability to thwart the holy desire."
My answer to that is this: If God wants to surrender His Omni-attributes for the sake of free will, while allowing all the sin he foresaw in ages past to continue unchecked, then God's desire is not thwarted, and one wonders what there could be to be angry about.
God gives up nothing.
You said anger is the result of not getting our way.
God, at any time, can take the reigns of any situation and any person. But He does allow us some free will. And we will sin. And He doesn't like it. But He allows it to occur. We works it into the entirety of His plan.
Christ innocently died as part of God's predetermined plan (Acts 2:23). God worked through that evil and accomplished a greater good.
God does get angry, the common things that God don't like is when people break covenant like Judas Iscariot betrayed God, or nations that push people away from God, the people who get the mark of the beast, and people who worship the beast, and people who get the number of the beast, and people who reject the Holy Spirit, the plan of God gets pushed away by people, all of these have happened and probably happen again ..... Like some of these people could end up living a very short life
To review a centuries-old debate, there is great difficulty in trying to explain why God, with His all-encompassing knowledge, power and goodness, should be angered by the actions of people. Anger is the result of not getting your way. If God is angry, something must have happened to thwart His desire . . . and that flies in the face of God's omni-attributes.
At this point, someone says, "Yes, but God voluntarily surrenders his omni-attributes to give man free will - - the ability to thwart the holy desire."
My answer to that is this: If God wants to surrender His Omni-attributes for the sake of free will, while allowing all the sin he foresaw in ages past to continue unchecked, then God's desire is not thwarted, and one wonders what there could be to be angry about.
when individual's consciousness level grow reliably mature, that individual is capable to judge yourself, Christ within has done its job.
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