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You don't know that he didn't. I mean..we know he died, so he couldn't have finished it. But there is no reason to believe he didn't write the rest.
It's been known as far back as the early church that there are problems within the text itself that make Mosaic authorship of the entire Torah problematic.
The very first sentence of Deuteronomy chapter one indicates that someone other than Moses wrote that book since Moses is being spoken of in the third person by someone stating that ''these are the words which Moses spoke to all Israel across the Jordan . . .'' Whoever wrote that was writing after having crossed the Jordan into the promised land. Moses was not allowed to go into the promised land. The author of those words is stating that Moses had written those words on the other side of the Jordan.
Look at the last chapter of Deuteronomy. In chapter 34 there are two statements which indicate that Deuteronomy was written by someone other than Moses long after the time of Moses.
In 34:6 whoever wrote it states concerning the burial place of Moses that ''no man knows his burial place to this day.'' Moses obviously could not have written that and the words ''to this day'' indicate a great deal of time, even generations must have passed since the death of Moses.
Likewise, in 34:10 it is stated ''since that time no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses . . .'' And so again, this was written by someone long after the time of Moses since a number of prophets had risen since the time of Moses, but none as great as him.
So both the very beginning and the very ending of Deuteronomy indicate non-Mosaic authorship of that book.
It's been known as far back as the early church that there are problems within the text itself that make Mosaic authorship of the entire Torah problematic.
The very first sentence of Deuteronomy chapter one indicates that someone other than Moses wrote that book since Moses is being spoken of in the third person by someone stating that ''these are the words which Moses spoke to all Israel across the Jordan . . .'' Whoever wrote that was writing after having crossed the Jordan into the promised land. Moses was not allowed to go into the promised land. The author of those words is stating that Moses had written those words on the other side of the Jordan.
Yes. As I said, there were small additions made because Moses died.
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Look at the last chapter of Deuteronomy. In chapter 34 there are two statements which indicate that Deuteronomy was written by someone other than Moses long after the time of Moses.
In 34:6 whoever wrote it states concerning the burial place of Moses that ''no man knows his burial place to this day.'' Moses obviously could not have written that and the words ''to this day'' indicate a great deal of time, even generations must have passed since the death of Moses.
Likewise, in 34:10 it is stated ''since that time no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses . . .'' And so again, this was written by someone long after the time of Moses since a number of prophets had risen since the time of Moses, but none as great as him.
So both the very beginning and the very ending of Deuteronomy indicate non-Mosaic authorship of that book.
Again. I said Moses died and yes, someone else did write the end of Deuteronomy.
Yes. As I said, there were small additions made because Moses died.
Again. I said Moses died and yes, someone else did write the end of Deuteronomy.
You aren't listening. The very first sentence in Deuteronomy was written by someone other than Moses who writes that these are the words of Moses - the book of Deuteronomy. The writer of Deuteronomy wrote that book after having crossed the Jordan into the promised land. He's writing about what Moses said before the Israelites crossed the Jordan into the promised land. Again, Moses was not allowed to cross the Jordan.
That very first sentence indicates that Moses didn't write any of Deuteronomy. Deuteronomy was written by someone else about things which Moses had said.
You aren't listening. The very first sentence in Deuteronomy was written by someone other than Moses who writes that these are the words of Moses - the book of Deuteronomy. The writer of Deuteronomy wrote that book after having crossed the Jordan into the promised land. He's writing about what Moses said before the Israelites crossed the Jordan into the promised land. Again, Moses was not allowed to cross the Jordan.
That very first sentence indicates that Moses didn't write any of Deuteronomy. Deuteronomy was written by someone else about things which Moses had said.
Yes. The very first sentence was an addition made to the book.
Yes. The very first sentence was an addition made to the book.
So....your point?
Deut 31:9 states Moses was the author.
No, The very first sentence was not an addition made to the book and Deuteronomy 31:9 does not say that Moses was the author of the book of Deuteronomy. It says merely that Moses wrote this law and gave it to the priests.
One more time. Whoever wrote Deuteronomy wrote it from inside the promised land. This is clear from the first sentence of Deuteronomy. He says that these words (the words which are spoken of in Deuteronomy were spoken by Moses 'across the Jordan.' Moses never made it into the promised land. He was not allowed to cross the Jordan into the promised land. So from the standpoint of the writer of Deuteronomy Moses was on the other side of the Jordan - 'across the Jordan.'
Old Testament scholar Peter Enns makes the following comments. But do read the entire link for all he has to say on the matter.
Let me illustrate concretely the questions the Pentateuch raises with two issues that were on the
table in the pre-modern period, one concerning Deuteronomy and the other Genesis.
Deuteronomy is largely a series of speeches by Moses given on the brink of the Promised Land (he
was not allowed to enter Canaan). The traditional view is that Moses wrote this book, but Deuteronomy
nowhere claims that. In fact, the content of the book argues against it. For one thing, the entire book is set
up as a third person account about what Moses said and did. In 1:5 we read, “Moses began to expound this
law, saying…” Someone other than Moses is writing this (see also, for example, 4:41, 44 and 5:1). To insist
that Moses wrote about himself in the third person bypasses the implications of what the texts says. Also,
the very beginning and end of Deuteronomy won’t allow Moses to be the author, and at least one early
interpreter from about A.D. 400, whom we will meet in a moment, picked up on this. But first, we should
be clear on the problem itself.
The very first verse of Deuteronomy says, “These are the words Moses spoke on the other side of
the Jordan” (see also 1:5). Again, this is a comment about Moses and in the past tense. But notice, too, that
this is spoken by someone who apparently made it into Canaan whereas Moses did not (see Num 20:12
and Deut 32:48-52), which would seem to indicate quite clearly that Moses was not responsible for at least
the final form of Deuteronomy.
No, The very first sentence was not an addition made to the book and Deuteronomy 31:9 does not say that Moses was the author of the book of Deuteronomy. It says merely that Moses wrote this law and gave it to the priests.
One more time. Whoever wrote Deuteronomy wrote it from inside the promised land. This is clear from the first sentence of Deuteronomy. He says that these words (the words which are spoken of in Deuteronomy were spoken by Moses 'across the Jordan.' Moses never made it into the promised land. He was not allowed to cross the Jordan into the promised land. So from the standpoint of the writer of Deuteronomy Moses was on the other side of the Jordan - 'across the Jordan.'
Old Testament scholar Peter Enns makes the following comments. But do read the entire link for all he has to say on the matter.
Let me illustrate concretely the questions the Pentateuch raises with two issues that were on the
table in the pre-modern period, one concerning Deuteronomy and the other Genesis.
Deuteronomy is largely a series of speeches by Moses given on the brink of the Promised Land (he
was not allowed to enter Canaan). The traditional view is that Moses wrote this book, but Deuteronomy
nowhere claims that. In fact, the content of the book argues against it. For one thing, the entire book is set
up as a third person account about what Moses said and did. In 1:5 we read, “Moses began to expound this
law, saying…” Someone other than Moses is writing this (see also, for example, 4:41, 44 and 5:1). To insist
that Moses wrote about himself in the third person bypasses the implications of what the texts says. Also,
the very beginning and end of Deuteronomy won’t allow Moses to be the author, and at least one early
interpreter from about A.D. 400, whom we will meet in a moment, picked up on this. But first, we should
be clear on the problem itself.
The very first verse of Deuteronomy says, “These are the words Moses spoke on the other side of
the Jordan” (see also 1:5). Again, this is a comment about Moses and in the past tense. But notice, too, that
this is spoken by someone who apparently made it into Canaan whereas Moses did not (see Num 20:12
and Deut 32:48-52), which would seem to indicate quite clearly that Moses was not responsible for at least
the final form of Deuteronomy.
Does anyone else have any comments to make on the matter? It is obvious from the text itself that Moses did not write Deuteronomy for reasons I've already given.
Does anyone else have any comments to make on the matter? It is obvious from the text itself that Moses did not write Deuteronomy for reasons I've already given.
lol..and it's obvious to me that he did, from what the Bible says. But, sure. Ok.
lol..and it's obvious to me that he did, from what the Bible says. But, sure. Ok.
Are you done or not? You say it's obvious to you from what the Bible says that Moses wrote Deuteronomy, but to scholars throughout the centuries it is obvious from what the biblical text itself says that Moses didn't write Deuteronomy. About the only people who insist that Moses had to have written Deuteronomy are the fundamentalists.
Are you done or not? You say it's obvious to you from what the Bible says that Moses wrote Deuteronomy, but to scholars throughout the centuries it is obvious from what the biblical text itself says that Moses didn't write Deuteronomy. About the only people who insist that Moses had to have written Deuteronomy are the fundamentalists.
lol...can't stand to not have the last word, huh?
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