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Old 11-19-2021, 08:33 AM
 
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If you believe Jesus has been enthroned as King, then a decision has to be made. Do you support God's Kingdom, or do you place your confidence in the governments of this world?
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Old 11-19-2021, 08:42 AM
 
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I definitely don't place it in an organization claiming to be God's spokesgroup, based in Brooklyn, NY
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Old 11-19-2021, 11:20 AM
 
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I do not believe that Jesus has been enthroned as king as of yet. He is currently seated at the right hand of God the Father in heaven but is not seated on the throne of David in Jerusalem as he will be after his return to the earth at which time he will establish the Millennial kingdom.

I do not believe that it is the church's purpose to bring in the kingdom of God but that when Jesus returns he will forcefully bring in the kingdom which is to be a literal, political kingdom upon the earth. What I'm describing is the premillennial view concerning the kingdom.
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Old 11-19-2021, 01:11 PM
 
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It isn't necessarily a one-or-the-other situation. Jesus told the Roman governor of Judea that any power he had came from God. Paul said the same about human governments in general.

Unless the government forces you do something forbidden by your faith, what's the problem in being subject to both God and the government He ordains?
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Old 11-19-2021, 02:57 PM
 
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To Caesar what is Caesar's. To God what is God's.
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Old 11-19-2021, 03:28 PM
 
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I definitely don't place it in an organization claiming to be God's spokesgroup, based in Brooklyn, NY
They sold the building in Brooklyn a couple of years ago and relocated to Orange County, NY.
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Old 11-19-2021, 04:49 PM
 
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Jesus Christ has Higher authority spiritually over every authority of the world ..... Like Jesus gave hitler temporary leadership over Germany because the people loved Him the woman of Germany thought he was it ....... but hitler hurt people who were in covenant with God, so God eventually shut him down, Just like God would judge any nation today that hurts His Children or goes against the plan of God ..... If you don't believe this than you are not paying any attention......... Sure like the Christian who were killed in the arena of Rome where all Jesus could do to help His children who were being lost was to collect them for heaven and eventually closed Rome down as Rome spent all their money ..... See God can hear all the secrets of the nation and use it to bring down a leader or bless a nation with His best through the spirit and no buddy could see anything ...... Jesus has governments on His shoulders
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Old 11-20-2021, 05:05 AM
 
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I definitely don't place it in an organization claiming to be God's spokesgroup, based in Brooklyn, NY

If you believe Jesus has been enthroned as King, and believe the words he gave in his sign, then you must believe the faithful slave is on the scene as well. So if you agree the faithful slave is here, then it shouldn't be too hard to identify him. They have the assignment to feed the sheep, who in the world do you observe feeding the sheep?
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Old 11-20-2021, 05:06 AM
 
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I do not believe that Jesus has been enthroned as king as of yet. He is currently seated at the right hand of God the Father in heaven but is not seated on the throne of David in Jerusalem as he will be after his return to the earth at which time he will establish the Millennial kingdom.

I do not believe that it is the church's purpose to bring in the kingdom of God but that when Jesus returns he will forcefully bring in the kingdom which is to be a literal, political kingdom upon the earth. What I'm describing is the premillennial view concerning the kingdom.

We agree on the second point Mike.
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Old 11-20-2021, 05:09 AM
 
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It isn't necessarily a one-or-the-other situation. Jesus told the Roman governor of Judea that any power he had came from God. Paul said the same about human governments in general.

Unless the government forces you do something forbidden by your faith, what's the problem in being subject to both God and the government He ordains?

I agree with you fully, unless I misunderstand your definition of subject. If you truly believe you are to be in subjection to the government, but not to the point of disobeying the law of the Christ, then we agree absolutely Arizona.
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