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Old 12-20-2021, 07:30 AM
 
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Does anyone know that we were born in the Kingdom of God in heaven some billions of years ago, sometime before the foundation of the universe?

We were all sons and daughters of God, the same Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We do not recall it since we got born on earth.

That is what I have learned in the Mormon or Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints.

It is called the pre-mortal life.

If we want to stick to the Bible, pre-mortal life is also described in the Book of Genesis particularly in the story of Adam in Gen. 2 and 3.

Lucifer, later known the Satan was also in the Garden of Eden as the serpent who deceived Adam to sin whose transgression has led Man to be separated from God.

Because of his sin, man was expelled from Eden the Garden of God and together with the Serpent which is Satan were cast to the ground, the earth.

By the way, Adam when he was in Garden of God in heaven was not like us today but was in the form of Soul or Spirit meaning no skin, no flesh and bone.
His sin is unforgivable, a sin done by a spirit (Adam) against his Creator, a Spirit in unforgivable and requires a redeemer to shed his blood to take away this particular sin and if not remove will lead man to eternal destruction the very reason that the Lord God our Father sent to earth His Son Christ to take away the “sin of the world”.

That is the reason we celebrate Christmas, the coming of our Lord who saved mankind from eternal punishment in hell.

MERRY CHRISTMASS to all.
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Old 12-20-2021, 09:07 AM
 
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Does anyone know that we were born in the Kingdom of God in heaven some billions of years ago, sometime before the foundation of the universe?

We were all sons and daughters of God, the same Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We do not recall it since we got born on earth.

That is what I have learned in the Mormon or Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints.

It is called the pre-mortal life.

If we want to stick to the Bible, pre-mortal life is also described in the Book of Genesis particularly in the story of Adam in Gen. 2 and 3.

Lucifer, later known the Satan was also in the Garden of Eden as the serpent who deceived Adam to sin whose transgression has led Man to be separated from God.

Because of his sin, man was expelled from Eden the Garden of God and together with the Serpent which is Satan were cast to the ground, the earth.

By the way, Adam when he was in Garden of God in heaven was not like us today but was in the form of Soul or Spirit meaning no skin, no flesh and bone.
His sin is unforgivable, a sin done by a spirit (Adam) against his Creator, a Spirit in unforgivable and requires a redeemer to shed his blood to take away this particular sin and if not remove will lead man to eternal destruction the very reason that the Lord God our Father sent to earth His Son Christ to take away the “sin of the world”.

That is the reason we celebrate Christmas, the coming of our Lord who saved mankind from eternal punishment in hell.

MERRY CHRISTMASS to all.

If Jesus took the sin. Then why all who have lived, then died, be required to pay their own wages of sin?
Acts 2:22 teaches--Repentence gets sin blotted out.

Let me introduce you to the true God-- A God of Love, Justice, wisdom, power-- Lets apply his justice scales to the teaching of eternal suffering. Gods justice scales are in perfect balance, uncorruptable. Do you believe this?

So for 70-100 years of a life of unrepented sin. God could NOT condemn one to trillions x trillions x trillions of never ending years of suffering in a hell. See the major imbalance there. Only a sadist could create such a place. Now lets reason it out.

In the NT , we all see teachings of a place like that, even Jesus taught things like that--Real? Or symbolism? The above proves symbolism-- This is what it is--- As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom those who were not allowed to enter miss each new day, it never ends, cut off from Gods love forever.--this is what is likened to be an eternal suffering.

Here is what the true living God set before all mankind--Deuteronomy 30:19-- LIFE or DEATH both will be everlasting.

Hope this will help you know the true God.


These teachers (2Corinthians 11:12-15) teach a literal eternal suffering---RUN FROM THEM.
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Old 12-20-2021, 02:42 PM
 
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If Jesus took the sin. Then why all who have lived, then died, be required to pay their own wages of sin?
Acts 2:22 teaches--Repentence gets sin blotted out.

Let me introduce you to the true God-- A God of Love, Justice, wisdom, power-- Lets apply his justice scales to the teaching of eternal suffering. Gods justice scales are in perfect balance, uncorruptable. Do you believe this?

So for 70-100 years of a life of unrepented sin. God could NOT condemn one to trillions x trillions x trillions of never ending years of suffering in a hell. See the major imbalance there. Only a sadist could create such a place. Now lets reason it out.

In the NT , we all see teachings of a place like that, even Jesus taught things like that--Real? Or symbolism? The above proves symbolism-- This is what it is--- As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom those who were not allowed to enter miss each new day, it never ends, cut off from Gods love forever.--this is what is likened to be an eternal suffering.

Here is what the true living God set before all mankind--Deuteronomy 30:19-- LIFE or DEATH both will be everlasting.

Hope this will help you know the true God.


These teachers (2Corinthians 11:12-15) teach a literal eternal suffering---RUN FROM THEM.

From your words, I can see that you have no regards to Christ, the Son of God.
Just like a sect called INC, they say that God has no son whatever because God has no uterus or womb. Did they not know that God is a Spirit. A Spirit gives birth to a Spirit and flesh gives birth to flesh.
They are not serving God but serving Satan. They are Anti-Christ destined to eternal punishment.


They don't believe in the Son of God who through Him God the Father gave us back the "eternal life".
This is what some people misunderstood, the "eternal life". It does not pertain to flesh but to our soul. That is if a person believed that he has a soul. Even animals have soul. In Job 12:10 "in whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind?
If a person does not believed that he/she has a soul then he/she is the most pity person on earth.
The eternal life given back to us by God will get our name written to the Book of Life which is our passport back to the Kingdom of God in heaven. Human soul, our soul came from heaven the Kingdom of God before our earth life. Those who have no background to the Book of Mormon is ignorant on this.
Mankind was separated from the love of God because of the sin of Adam.
By God's grace He gave His Son's life for mankind to be able us to be back to God's presence after this earth's life.
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Old 12-20-2021, 02:58 PM
 
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Does anyone know that we were born in the Kingdom of God in heaven some billions of years ago, sometime before the foundation of the universe?

We were all sons and daughters of God, the same Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We do not recall it since we got born on earth.

That is what I have learned in the Mormon or Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints.

It is called the pre-mortal life.

If we want to stick to the Bible, pre-mortal life is also described in the Book of Genesis particularly in the story of Adam in Gen. 2 and 3.

Lucifer, later known the Satan was also in the Garden of Eden as the serpent who deceived Adam to sin whose transgression has led Man to be separated from God.

Because of his sin, man was expelled from Eden the Garden of God and together with the Serpent which is Satan were cast to the ground, the earth.

By the way, Adam when he was in Garden of God in heaven was not like us today but was in the form of Soul or Spirit meaning no skin, no flesh and bone.
His sin is unforgivable, a sin done by a spirit (Adam) against his Creator, a Spirit in unforgivable and requires a redeemer to shed his blood to take away this particular sin and if not remove will lead man to eternal destruction the very reason that the Lord God our Father sent to earth His Son Christ to take away the “sin of the world”.

That is the reason we celebrate Christmas, the coming of our Lord who saved mankind from eternal punishment in hell.

MERRY CHRISTMASS to all.
No - we were not born billions of years ago. Therefore, we all also not all sons and daughters of God.

Adam was not just soul and spirit... as Eve was taken from Adam's rib. That's a bone. When they sinned, they tried to cover up their flesh. If they were only souls and spirits, there would be nothing to cover up.

The gospel message of salvation from from sin is definitely on point - which is the most important thing.
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Old 12-20-2021, 04:06 PM
 
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From your words, I can see that you have no regards to Christ, the Son of God.
Just like a sect called INC, they say that God has no son whatever because God has no uterus or womb. Did they not know that God is a Spirit. A Spirit gives birth to a Spirit and flesh gives birth to flesh.
They are not serving God but serving Satan. They are Anti-Christ destined to eternal punishment.


They don't believe in the Son of God who through Him God the Father gave us back the "eternal life".
This is what some people misunderstood, the "eternal life". It does not pertain to flesh but to our soul. That is if a person believed that he has a soul. Even animals have soul. In Job 12:10 "in whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind?
If a person does not believed that he/she has a soul then he/she is the most pity person on earth.
The eternal life given back to us by God will get our name written to the Book of Life which is our passport back to the Kingdom of God in heaven. Human soul, our soul came from heaven the Kingdom of God before our earth life. Those who have no background to the Book of Mormon is ignorant on this.
Mankind was separated from the love of God because of the sin of Adam.
By God's grace He gave His Son's life for mankind to be able us to be back to God's presence after this earth's life.

Actually Jesus is my king. Show us in the bible where Jesus asked for his birth to be celebrated. Otherwise its a tradition of men. And Gods word says--By the traditions of men you make the word of God invalid.
Jesus specifically asked for the lords evening meal to be remembered. Not his birth.
Did you ever read the encyclopedias about the added pagan practices from false god worshipping holidays? To both celebrations they try to hand to Jesus. Did you ever wonder why the name santa unscrambles to satan? And why santa is stealing 98% of that holiday away from Jesus?
Here is what God word says about one partaking off the table of demons( pagan false god worship practices)-1Corinthians 10:21--It says--One CANNOT partake off the table of God and the table of demons.
I dont say these things to be mean, but i know for sure, Jesus will not accept anything that came off the table of demons. neither will his followers. Encyclopedias are facts. The information is all there in them.
Yes the world hates truth, it always has. It murdered Jesus, apostles and the followers back then because they were exposing the table of demons to the world.
A follower of Jesus obeys him. He said to be no part of this world. That means they are different, they do not fit in thus unaccepted. Jesus said his followers would be hated.

Jesus teaches--The meek will inherit the EARTH.Matthew 5:5) Who do you think this is to? Most false teachers tell everyone they are going to heaven and throw Jesus truth away. So they have no clue who Jesus tells thaty truth to.

You probably have no clue satan has his teachers on earth to-2Corinthians 11:12-15-- they transform into angels of light making things off the table of demons look loving to the mortal heart.
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Old 12-20-2021, 04:12 PM
 
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If we want to stick to the Bible, pre-mortal life is also described in the Book of Genesis particularly in the story of Adam in Gen. 2 and 3.

which verse(s) ?
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Old 12-20-2021, 07:16 PM
 
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No - we were not born billions of years ago. Therefore, we all also not all sons and daughters of God.

Adam was not just soul and spirit... as Eve was taken from Adam's rib. That's a bone. When they sinned, they tried to cover up their flesh. If they were only souls and spirits, there would be nothing to cover up.

The gospel message of salvation from from sin is definitely on point - which is the most important thing.



Don't be ignorant sir. You did not understand the Book of Genesis particularly Gen 2 and 3 which is the foundation to understand the Old and the New Testament. Read it a thousand times until you understand the message. A clue is, the end is declared in the beginning. The end if Jesus Christ and the beginning is the sin of Adam.



It is true they cover up their flesh but that was after they sinned. After they sinned their eternal is lost and that was the death that God is referring to because God took back from them their eternal life (for the soul) as a result they lost their residency in heaven and they are bound to earth's life. They begin to acquire material appearance from being a spirit to something like us. So both man and his wife began to develop malice, be ashamed to each other and to God also. God gave then skins meaning they began to acquire physical appearance in order to prepare then for earth's life.
Before they sinned it is written, the man and his wife were naked bu were not ashamed to each other. It is so because spirits do not need clothing to cover their body, because they do not have sex organs, which they do not need.
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Old 12-20-2021, 07:33 PM
 
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which verse(s) ?
Our pre-mortal life is not specifically taught in the Bible, but there are hints within its pages that we existed prior to our birth here on earth. There are also indications in early Christian literature outside of the Bible that the ancient Christians believed this to be the case.
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:23 PM
 
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which verse(s) ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kadmon
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Old 12-21-2021, 03:20 AM
 
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People would say ``When the messiah comes that will be the day the cows come home``, so when the messiah did come on Christmas day the cows were still in the field as Jesus was in their manger
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