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Jesus said, “ 11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!” (Matthew 7:11)
Is Jesus saying we are depraved or totally depraved?
No, (Matthew 7:7-11; Luke 11:13 ) but we know sin is evil, but Not all sinners are evil/ wicked.
So, because of father Adam all humans inherited sin (human imperfection) so consequently we are comparatively evil.
As a loving father provides good things, our Heavenly Father provides good things aka His holy spirit for us - Luke 11:13.
Asking for God's spirit to strengthen us in service to our God and Father and He will - James 1:17; Galatians 5:22-23.
How about being beyond repenting __________
Beyond repenting ( total depravity ) for example: Sinner Satan.- Hebrews 2:14 B.
I suppose that the one who commits the unforgivable sin can be considered at totally depraved - Matthew 12:32
The Doctrine, as is defined by Calvin, and has been coined "Total Depravity" simply means sins touches all areas of our lives. It's a Biblical concept, no matter how one feels about the term "Calvinist", or the man Calvin.
The Bible says unbelievers are slaves to sin (Rom 6:6). It doesn't mean we can't do good things. But it says that sin controls us. That's why we have to be born again (John 1:12-13), and it's God that causes that. If we are born again, we are no longer slaves to sin.
And then in Romans 6-7 it says we still sin...but Rom 8:1 states there is no condemnation for those in Christ. That's the good news. Even if/when we sin, we're forgiven if we're in Christ.
The Doctrine, as is defined by Calvin, and has been coined "Total Depravity" simply means sins touches all areas of our lives. It's a Biblical concept, no matter how one feels about the term "Calvinist", or the man Calvin.
The Bible says unbelievers are slaves to sin (Rom 6:6). It doesn't mean we can't do good things. But it says that sin controls us. That's why we have to be born again (John 1:12-13), and it's God that causes that. If we are born again, we are no longer slaves to sin.
And then in Romans 6-7 it says we still sin...but Rom 8:1 states there is no condemnation for those in Christ. That's the good news. Even if/when we sin, we're forgiven if we're in Christ.
Yes, the genuine heart-felt repentant are forgiven - 2nd Peter 3:9
The ones who commit the unforgivable sin are never forgiven - Matthew 12:32
In other words, as 1st Cor. 10:12 cautions ' beware ' as not to fall - 1st Cor. 9:27; Galatians 6:1
We must endure to the end as Jesus said at Matthew 24:13.
Be faithful (endure) to death, or be alive and found faithful at Jesus' coming Glory Time at Matthew 25:31-33,37
Yes, the genuine heart-felt repentant are forgiven - 2nd Peter 3:9
The ones who commit the unforgivable sin are never forgiven - Matthew 12:32
In other words, as 1st Cor. 10:12 cautions ' beware ' as not to fall - 1st Cor. 9:27; Galatians 6:1
We must endure to the end as Jesus said at Matthew 24:13.
Be faithful (endure) to death, or be alive and found faithful at Jesus' coming Glory Time at Matthew 25:31-33,37
None of those verses contradict anything I've said. Not sure what your point is. Can you explain it in your own words why you believe I'm wrong?
We certainly are depraved, but not totally depraved to the point that we can’t seek God as Calvinism teaches.
Put aside Calvinism for a moment. My beliefs don't hinge on what Calvin said. I have never actually read any of Calvin's writings.
What do you believe Romans 3:10-18 means?
"as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”"
No, (Matthew 7:7-11; Luke 11:13 ) but we know sin is evil, but Not all sinners are evil/ wicked.
So, because of father Adam all humans inherited sin (human imperfection) so consequently we are comparatively evil.
As a loving father provides good things, our Heavenly Father provides good things aka His holy spirit for us - Luke 11:13.
Asking for God's spirit to strengthen us in service to our God and Father and He will - James 1:17; Galatians 5:22-23.
According to Ezekiel 18, we don’t inherit sin. No Scripture that I know of says we do.
The Doctrine, as is defined by Calvin, and has been coined "Total Depravity" simply means sins touches all areas of our lives. It's a Biblical concept, no matter how one feels about the term "Calvinist", or the man Calvin.
The Bible says unbelievers are slaves to sin (Rom 6:6). It doesn't mean we can't do good things. But it says that sin controls us. That's why we have to be born again (John 1:12-13), and it's God that causes that. If we are born again, we are no longer slaves to sin.
And then in Romans 6-7 it says we still sin...but Rom 8:1 states there is no condemnation for those in Christ. That's the good news. Even if/when we sin, we're forgiven if we're in Christ.
What Scripture says we are totally and completely unable to seek God?
Put aside Calvinism for a moment. My beliefs don't hinge on what Calvin said. I have never actually read any of Calvin's writings.
What do you believe Romans 3:10-18 means?
"as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”"
Does the passage say we are totally incapable of seeking God? Because that is what the doctrine of total depravity teaches.
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