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Old 05-04-2023, 09:35 AM
 
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```Philippians 4:5 Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. ```
The Lord Jesus has gentleness to all, He does not wish that anyone should perish. Therefore, this is evidence that we will all be near the Lord Christ in paradise as all people will believe in Him.
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Old 05-04-2023, 09:57 AM
 
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1can.of.soup — Today at 1:41 AM

Ohh okay ty!! I was most confused about what my friend was saying about the new and Old Testaments and I think they were equally confused XD they’ve been very supportive of me! They’re the second person I’ve told I was Christian (you being the first). They’re really lovely about religion! They expressed to me they don’t believe in anything (including being an atheist) simply because they just do not know and it would be too confusing to label themselves as any religion, which I support and I understand them! I know they will be saved, whether that be before or after death and I can’t wait to greet them in heaven when they do!



So I replied to them with the following.



And I realized this, and I was saved and… I believed in endless torture. Because I didn’t know there was other options, I was lied to falsely think that was the only way. And my mind was still in torment. At this time my sister was not saved yet, so I thought “What is my sister going to get tortured forever?!?!”. Where’s the glory in that?!?!



Rom. 11:36 "Of Him and through Him and to Him are ALL THINGS, to whom be glory forever. Amen"



Then when researching Hell I literally did a biased Google search of “hell is not eternal” 5 years ago. Literallly… I have the exact Journal Entry right here

https://jesus-saves-all.com/JE/JE85.htm



Then I became an Annihlationist, another false belief. I thought that God instead of torturing people forever, would instead simply KILL people. Wrong. Another name for this false idea is “Conditional Immortality”. The problem is that… it’s kinda just atheism? Like, people who don’t believe in religion think that when we die, that’s it, we’re dead. So some Christians think, “Hey, how about only we get to have a happy after life, and everyone else dies with a net negative”.



EZEKIEL 33:11 As I live, says the Lord God, I have no desire for the death of the wicked.



Thus, I realized, God = life. And God will be all in all, therefore all will have life. God loves everyone, therefore God will save everyone. It sounds so much… simpler thinking about it, but at the time, I felt so… incredible, filled with joy when I knew there was a happy ending for everyone. And that joy carries forward to this day, years later, and motivates me to tell others. Because how I found out was from a site called Tentmaker.org by Gary Amirault, who has now passed away and is no longer with us here on Earth.



http://www.mercyuponall.org/2018/11/...gary-amirault/

But I think I remember I was around when he was still alive. Due to the Devil’s grip on this world, through false idea of forever torture, it’s hard to find others who also know Christ saves all. So I try to spread Universal Reconciliation in his stead.



However, I empathize with your friend’s decision to not label themselves as any religion. Due to the forces of evil at play, I suffered for so long in mental anguish. Even looking back at some of my other entries, when editing them to post on my site, it was… really tough looking back at how I felt. … I even self harmed myself to the point where I was bleeding. I really really REALLY don’t want anyone else to go through that torture. It’s… hard talking about because even thinking about those times can be scary… even though it’s been years ago. But… anyways. That’s my motivation to spread the UR Gospel.



1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.



For atheists, I respect them because they reject forever conscious torment, which is good.



For Christians, I respect them because they realize that God is love, which is good.



And for those, like your friend, who do not believe in anything at all, I respect them, because their minds won’t be so easily led astray by false doctrines. They’re resilient. I sincerely hope they discover the truth without as much heartache as I went through.



Etc. etc. Of course, there’s only one way to go to Heaven, to believe in Christ. Since only Jesus paid for our sins, and going to Heaven is all about being clean of sin. But all humans are made with love. Even in people that are so so different from my own beliefs, there’s still something about them to love! Nobody is completely irredeemable; everyone will be redeemed by Jesus!



I look forward to greeting you and your friend in Heaven. To see the smiles of those who’ve already passed on, and the joy of those yet to come. My trauma of the past, I bear those memories to use for negative examples, about the dangers of false beliefs. In Heaven, I look forward to living without that pain anymore.



2 Corinthians 12:9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.



My commentary here afterwards

[Gary Amirault’s testimony: https://www.tentmaker.org/testimonia...Amirault.html]

[He too was an atheist at one point, and he eventually believed in Jesus Christ with faith alone and was saved, and then became a Christian Universalist. I also used to be an atheist too. That’s why, I have empathy towards all atheists. They remind me of a younger version of myself.]

start quote “which may have handed me a brochure on the doctrine of eternal security, that is, that once a person was "saved" or "born again," they could not lose their salvation; the gift of eternal life could not be revoked nor lost even by turning away from God or denying Him.” end quote

Eternal Security, sometimes known as once saved always saved, essentially means that someone can’t lose their salvation, and it’s true. Thus, I agree with Gary Amirault’s teachings here, where it’s impossible for a person to lose their salvation. That’s why I say “permanently saved”, when you believe in Christ you gain “permanent salvation”. The Holy Spirit, when it dwells in someone, stays in someone! Period.
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Old 05-04-2023, 02:11 PM
 
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Universalism is a false gospel because it bears false witness in the name of God, To teach that God desires the saving of the reprobated non elect, is to bear false witness, for God has made the non elect as vessels of wrath and He fits them for destruction.

Rom 9:20-22

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:


Prov 6:16-19

16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
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Old 05-04-2023, 02:58 PM
 
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Universalism is a false teaching, denying the twofold purpose of preaching the Gospel, its for the calling of the elect, and for the hardening of the non elect, therefore Paul says its a savour of life and of death 2 Cor 2:14-17

14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

God sends the Gospel for the purpose of hardening them withholding converting grace

Jn 12:37-41

37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:

38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
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Old 05-05-2023, 07:34 AM
 
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Universalism is a false teaching and shows no understanding of the ways of God, and so they deceive people ! Jesus didnt come into the world to open up the eyes of everyones understanding to know the things of God, but also to make people blind to the truth in accordance to their reprobation. Jn 9:39-41

39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?

41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

Also He tells some that their sin remaineth, which equates to He will not take away their sins, they shall dies in their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

These are the ones He came to make blind !
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Old 05-05-2023, 07:51 AM
 
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Universalism is a false teaching, denying the twofold purpose of preaching the Gospel, its for the calling of the elect, and for the hardening of the non elect, therefore Paul says its a savour of life and of death 2 Cor 2:14-17

Hi Brightfame52 my friend. So, does God withold mercy from the non elect?



```Psalm 40:11 Do not withhold your mercy from me, Lord; may your love and faithfulness always protect me. ```
Does the Lord withhold mercy from anybody? ECT and Annihilationism posits that He does, but the truth is that He does not, because His love always protects people. And this love is for the whole world. John 3:16. Therefore, everybody will believe in His Mercy, Jesus Christ, and thus be permanently saved.
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Old 05-05-2023, 08:18 AM
 
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In terms of questioning God, the question of “How Do I go to Heaven” is answered by the following. Believe in Jesus Christ my friends, with faith alone and be saved permanently, as the Holy Spirit, who will continue to give you guidance and answer your questions, will be permanently in you.

John 1:29 “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!”



In terms of asking God questions, the Bible tells us that we can ask the Lord for wisdom and we can receive it.

Isaiah 54:13 "All your children shall be taught by the Lord, and great shall be the peace of your children"



can.of.soup — Today at 11:47 AM

Ah I see, no fighting demons. Understood
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Old 05-05-2023, 08:41 AM
 
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Universalism is a false teaching because it denies that God gets Honor and Glory for the hardening and destruction of sinners.

But God does Get Honor for the destruction of sinners Ex 14:1-4

And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they turn and encamp before Pihahiroth, between Migdol and the sea, over against Baalzephon: before it shall ye encamp by the sea.

3 For Pharaoh will say of the children of Israel, They are entangled in the land, the wilderness hath shut them in.

4 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart,
that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the Lord. And they did so.

The word honoured is the hebrew word kāḇaḏ and is often times translated Glory, get ones self Glory, God gets Glory out of hardening sinners and their just destruction.

So when God created vessels of wrath and fitted them for destruction, He gets Glory,

Yet the universalist denies this, as if God can only get Himself Glory and Honor by saving sinners from their sins.
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Old 05-05-2023, 08:44 AM
 
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Hi Brightfame52 my friend. So, does God withold mercy from the non elect?
Yes, they were created as vessels of wrath, and He fits them for destruction, they arent the vessels of mercy as the elect are.
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Old 05-05-2023, 12:43 PM
 
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Universalism is a false teaching, they reject the True God and attempt to put Him in a Box that fits their rational of what God should or should not do for Him to be Good and Loving and Merciful. They reason that a God who punishes evil doers with eternal suffering is not a Good and Just God. God however is a Merciful God and at the same time a just God who will not show mercy and will not clear the guilty Ex 34:7


Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Their thinking is evil. God has a Good side, and a Severe side Rom 11:22

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
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