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Old 05-31-2023, 09:23 AM
 
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Yeah thanks a lot for that. Despite how prevelant it is in the country, do you think the reason Catholicism doesn't generally have a strong identity or recognition within American culture is because it's sort of seen as "un-American" in many ways, because of how it supposedly goes against democratic values or what not? Also, do Catholic schools in the US have uniform like in British and Japanese high schools, and are they also single-gender like most traditional Catholic schools across the world?
Personally, I don't think Catholicism doesn't have a 'strong identity within American culture..." I think about 23% of the nation identifies with being Catholic.

Catholicism is a religious denomination. So is Protestantism. But Protestantism has like 30-40 thousand different branches, whereas, Catholicism has only a few handfuls. And while I've had the opportunity to ask people 'what denomination are you', they don't reply "Protestant", but either Methodist, or Southern Baptist, or Baptist, or Unitarian, or...you get the point. So while Protestantism may be 'stronger' in the US than Catholicism, their branches are not.

You say that Catholicism supposedly goes against "democratic values." What does that even mean?

Catholics have been forerunners in promoting education...health...charity...anthropology...Moderator cut: Politics

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Old 05-31-2023, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Lebanon, OH
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Catholicism is "un-American". Catholicism and Americanism are incompatible. In fact, Americanism is an explicitly-condemned heresy. Freedom of religion, egalitarianism, and the like are rightfully condemned by the Catholic Church.

Heresy of Americanism
And your ancestors came here anyway despite being unwanted and considered “undesirables” by certain immigration laws on the books as late as 1917.
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Old 05-31-2023, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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And your ancestors came here anyway despite being unwanted and considered “undesirables” by certain immigration laws on the books as late as 1917.
You know this? Who are my ancestors?
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Old 05-31-2023, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Middle America
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On one hand, freedom of religion is important in the country, and no established religion is to promoted.

But left on it's own, certainly Catholicism is one of the biggies. Many Hispanics support it, as it is native to Mexico and Spain, and they are a growing demographic.
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Old 05-31-2023, 11:15 AM
 
Location: St. Louis Park, MN
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On one hand, freedom of religion is important in the country, and no established religion is to promoted.

But left on it's own, certainly Catholicism is one of the biggies. Many Hispanics support it, as it is native to Mexico and Spain, and they are a growing demographic.
Lol Catholicism isn't native to Mexico. Technically not native to Spain, but at least it was in Spain long before Mexico. It was FORCED upon the natives of Mexico.
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Old 05-31-2023, 11:20 AM
 
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Lol Catholicism isn't native to Mexico. Technically not native to Spain, but at least it was in Spain long before Mexico. It was FORCED upon the natives of Mexico.
Okay, yeah, uhuh. Maybe "native" was the wrong word (as indigenous). But after being established, it's certainly the norm there now, and gets imported as something "native" to modern Mexico, etc. That's what I was referring to.

We're all "forced" into many matters don't the line back in each of our histories going back centuries. But we don't have to wear that chip on our shoulders (hint hint). Jeez, people are so touchy these days...
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Old 05-31-2023, 11:21 AM
 
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Lol Catholicism isn't native to Mexico. Technically not native to Spain, but at least it was in Spain long before Mexico. It was FORCED upon the natives of Mexico.
Back off the nose candy and then please explain the process of how Catholicism was "forced" on the natives of Mexico.
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Old 05-31-2023, 11:39 AM
 
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Okay, yeah, uhuh. Maybe "native" was the wrong word (as indigenous). But after being established, it's certainly the norm there now, and gets imported as something "native" to modern Mexico, etc. That's what I was referring to.

We're all "forced" into many matters don't the line back in each of our histories going back centuries. But we don't have to wear that chip on our shoulders (hint hint). Jeez, people are so touchy these days...
Yup. This whole idea of being "forced" into believing just about anything, baffles me...

Encouraged is one thing. But "forced"?
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Old 05-31-2023, 11:58 AM
 
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Yup. This whole idea of being "forced" into believing just about anything, baffles me...
Encouraged is one thing. But "forced"?
We should not try to deny the egregious history of Catholic "forcing." It is undeniable, just ask whatever Cathars may exist today, Mink.
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Old 05-31-2023, 12:55 PM
 
Location: St. Louis Park, MN
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Back off the nose candy and then please explain the process of how Catholicism was "forced" on the natives of Mexico.
Umm its called "convert or die." I am of Spanish descent. I don't sugar coat what people of my own ethnicity have done across the Americas. In Mexico, the indigenous beliefs do shine through a bit though. Its seen in celebrations such as Dia de los Muertos which have been fused with Spanish catholicism.
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