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You are being obtuse. I've already explained the difference between sin being delt with judicially at the cross, and being delt with as a family matter when the believer sins. I'm not wasting more time on you arguing about it.
Sin cant hinder the relationship God has with His forgiven people, neither are they ever under Gods wrath for sin. Now as far as sin being in ones life as a believer, believers will sin everyday for the rest of their lives here because we are sinners saved by grace. So I dont see your point its invalid.
Sin cant hinder the relationship God has with His forgiven people, neither are they ever under Gods wrath for sin. Now as far as sin being in ones life as a believer, believers will sin everyday for the rest of their lives here because we are sinners saved by grace. So I dont see your point its invalid.
When a believer sins he gets out of fellowship with God. That doesn't mean that he loses his salvation. It means that when a believer sins he enters into a state of carnality and is not being filled with the Holy Spirit until he acknowledges his sin to God as per 1 John 1:9. The believer is never commanded to be indwelt by the Spirit because in the dispensation of the Church the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is universal among believers and is permanent. But the filling of the Spirit is commanded. It is a different ministry of the Holy Spirit and is lost when the believer sins and regained when the sin is acknowledged. Again, the believer's sin is handled as a family matter, not as a judicial matter. The believer's sin doesn't affect his eternal relationship with God but it does affect his temporal relationship with God until he acknowledges or confesses his sin.
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When a believer sins he gets out of fellowship with God. That doesn't mean that he loses his salvation. It means that when a believer sins he enters into a state of carnality and is not being filled with the Holy Spirit until he acknowledges his sin to God as per 1 John 1:9. The believer is never commanded to be indwelt by the Spirit because in the dispensation of the Church the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is universal among believers and is permanent. But the filling of the Spirit is a different ministry of the Holy Spirit and is lost when the believer sins and regained when the sin is acknowledged. Again, the believer's sin is handled as a family matter, not as a judicial matter. The believer's sin doesn't affect his eternal relationship with God but it does affect his temporal relationship with God until he acknowledges or confesses his sin.
The believers unconfessed sin, no matter what it is, has been forgiven by God, you do realize that dont you ? And a believer while still in this fleshly body is carnal, Paul admitted that as a believer Rom 7:14
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Paul is speaking in the present indicative,
However because he is a new creature in Christ, born of the Spirit, he is Spiritual. The believer will constantly sin as long as sin is in his flesh, so it will be a constanst never ending warfare until death Gal 5:17
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
There is no discharge in that war, save for the future final deliverance through Christ or death Rom 7:23-25
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
The believers unconfessed sin, no matter what it is, has been forgiven by God, you do realize that dont you ? And a believer while still in this fleshly body is carnal, Paul admitted that as a believer Rom 7:14
Good grief! I've twice explained the difference between sins being forgiven judicially at the cross, and relationally when the believer sins. 1 John 1:9 says that the believer's sin is NOT forgiven until he acknowledges that sin.
If you are so totally unable to understand the difference between sins being forgiven judicially and being forgiven relationally then just go on in your confusion. Hopefully, other people reading this are more discerning than you. I'm done here.
Good grief! I've twice explained the difference between sins being forgiven judicially at the cross, and relationally when the believer sins. 1 John 1:9 says that the believer's sin is NOT forgiven until he acknowledges that sin.
If you are so totally unable to understand the difference between sins being forgiven judicially and being forgiven relationally then just go on in your confusion. Hopefully, other people reading this are more discerning than you. I'm done here.
No it doesnt say that !
All the believers sins are forgiven, past, present and future, and in fact they were all forgiven while the believer was an unbeliever hating God !
Even when the believer was an unbelieving enemy, they were reconciled to God by His death Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Can believers knowingly sin and still inherit the kingdom of God? No.
Galatians 5
[19] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[20] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[21] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Can believers knowingly sin and still inherit the kingdom of God? No.
Galatians 5
[19] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[20] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[21] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
To inherit is not the same as to inhabit. To inherit the kingdom has to do with receiving the blessings and responsibilities in the kingdom that accrue to the believer who advances spiritually during his time in this life. All believers in Christ will inhabit the kingdom, but not all believers will 'inherit' the kingdom. At least, that's the way I see it. God doesn't send you to the lake of fire for committing sins that Jesus already paid the penalty for on the cross as your substitute. Otherwise, Jesus going to the cross was meaningless and a waste of time.
To inherit is not the same as to inhabit. To inherit the kingdom has to do with receiving the blessings and responsibilities in the kingdom that accrue to the believer who advances spiritually during his time in this life. All believers in Christ will inhabit the kingdom, but not all believers will 'inherit' the kingdom. At least, that's the way I see it. God doesn't send you to the lake of fire for committing sins that Jesus already paid the penalty for on the cross as your substitute. Otherwise, Jesus going to the cross was meaningless and a waste of time.
Not my opinion nor your opinion, but the Word of God is the authority.
1 John 3
[4] Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
[5] And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
[6] Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
[7] Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
[8] He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
[9] Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. (NKJV)
Can believers knowingly sin and still inherit the kingdom of God? No.
Yes, they do it everyday.
Those who will not inherit the kingdom in Gal 5:21 are unbelievers who Christ didnt die for, so they are going to be charged with their sins against Gods law.
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Yes, they do it everyday.
Those who will not inherit the kingdom in Gal 5:21 are unbelievers who Christ didnt die for, so they are going to be charged with their sins against Gods law.
That is the ear-tickling "easy believism." It doesn't matter what kind of worthless human being you BECOME, your belief in Jesus will cover you and it won't matter!! That is the worst of wishful thinking and a do-nothing fatalism
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