Could Palin be the antichrist? Watch out in 2012? (abomination, Revelation, scripture)
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But what is your basis for this? You say yourself you don't wear your hair long or refrain from wearing dresses. You therefore implicitly disagree with those sects who claim this the "true" religion.
I disagree, not because I don't think they're Christians for believing that, but because I don't think their belief that you have to look a certain way has anything to do with salvation.
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Originally Posted by txguy2009
How, then, are you so sure that what you think is true? Why is abortion the issue that delineates "true" christians from non-true ones? It seems there's not even really good biblical support for being "pro-life" while some of the weirder beliefs have more explicit support.
I am sure because the Bible is my guide, and that's what it says. I know some people don't agree...but I can't call myself a Christian, and then blatantly disregard the Bible. That'd make me a hypocrite.
Abortion is just one of many issues that, unfortunately, separate Christians. I personally see abortion as murder, which is specifically commanded against in the Bible, and therefore I see as wrong. I don't think it's abortion that delineates the "true" from the "not-true", but a compilation of several beliefs. Abortion just happens to be a hot topic, especially during election time.
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Originally Posted by txguy2009
My point isn't to say there is a true christianity or not. As I said earlier, I don't believe in it. I'm a skeptic. My point is that religion as such does *no independent logical work* here - people are making independent value judgments; cherry-picking what they want to believe, and even taking some things (like anti-abortion stance) that aren't even in the text and incorporating it in the religion. The moment you start making independent value judgments it seems the whole claim of religion is obviated - that what is "right" is necessarily tied to the will of the Deity - what is "right" is actually what YOU say it is.
I agree that too many people cherry-pick. I also think that a lot of "Christians" morph things to fit the mold of popular ideas of the day. My beliefs are incredibly unpopular today because they make me "intolerant" of certain people. But again, what kind of Christian would I be if I believe the Bible speaks out against certain things, but I decide to "be okay" with them just because of popular ideas of the day? A hypocrite.
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Originally Posted by txguy2009
So we should cut through the confusion and talk about the beliefs as such and forget "religion."
I agree with you to an extent. But to clarify, I feel that there are certain fundamental (man, there comes that word again!) beliefs that define Christianity. And after all, as much as I don't like to call it such, Christianity is a "religion".
I just want to add, txguy, I appreciate the challenge. I know you don't agree with me, but you never attacked me for not agreeing with you, and that's refreshing.
To GO BACK ON the topic....Could Palin be the antichrist....
I don't believe so as the bible teaches in who the antichrist will be, and she doesnt fit the description.
One person said that she's too ignorant, but I'm not sure how they would know. I would think the antichrist will be 'cunning' in making people think this....
renriq02: Where in the Bible is the antichrist taught?
Alright then, first Obama, now it's Palin, what is all the obsession with Anti-Christ??
Hi ShepsMom,
So "we" can all be raptured while everyone else goes into the meat grinder or so guilt complex posttrib types can bring the wrath we all so richly deserve.
chemdah is the same word used in the same way here.
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