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Originally Posted by sanspeur
Seems like the fact that Canada accepts gays as equals bothers you the most...I'm glad we don't beat our children, and the teens I have known, and I've known a lot of them since I raised 5 of them myself are not at all like you have described, but are nice respectful, honest youths.
What I said about teen pregnancies is not my opinion but well researched statistics, and I do give sex education most of the credit. Abstinence is taught as the best birth control method, but at the same time realizing that many teens are led by their raging hormones, they are taught other methods. Because teens tend to be rather impulsive creatures condom dispensers are installed in middle schools and high schools. All of this helps lower the number of teen babies born or aborted and young lives ruined.
The bible belt has the highest STD, teen pregnancy and divorce rate, and I attribute it to teaching teens that abstinence is the only way. The divorce rate ties into this because of all the shotgun weddings.
I know of no printers that are forced to print anything they do not care to and find that a bit hard to believe, but we do have hate speech laws here, and I think that is a good thing.
Do you remember your teenage years? Out of 5 of my closest friends three were pregnant before the age 17. That was 1977.
The major influence in my life was my parents as was theirs.
In my grandparents day is was perfectly acceptable for a girl to marry at the age of 14 and begin child bearing. In those days there were upwards to 14 children by two parents. That has changed through, we are now more intelligent and we only have 1 - 2 children.
If if weren't for the teens and their ignorance, there would be no babies being born.
I read the blog, have seen the email that it quoted, and while amusing is so far from reality that I can't believe anyone would take it seriously.
And yes, I remember the day when I carried the shotgun and 30-06 in the window of the pick up I drove to school and left the door unlocked. But I also recall the fat girl being teased unmercifully. I remember the nerd being tormented. I remember the kids who weren't quite bright being put into classes and "warehoused" in over crowded classrooms and having to have their recesses and breaks at a different time to keep them from the "normal" kids. I remember the old black man having to step off the sidewalk when I walked by because, although I was young, I was white. I have seen, with my eyes, the sign that said "White Restrooms" and the sign hanging from the small town traffic light that said "Nig**r don't let the sun go down with you in town." I recall the cafe where one of my best friends was told to "go somewhere else" because of the color of his skin. I remember the scientist who lost his security clearance because of unfounded innuendo about being a communist, and worked as a house painter. I recall the old guy down the street that the kids whispered about because he was known to be "weird.".....They didn't have registered pedophiles back then.....I remember children with polio. I remember my Cherokee grandmother telling me stories of her grandfather and the Trail of Tears. I spoke with the late Charley Chibitty once about his service as a Comanche Code Talker......and how he was treated as a third class citizen most of his life.
Do we have problems? Of course we do.....every age of man has it's own set of problems. Ours are different than they once were. Not better, nor worse......just different.
Let me let you in on a secret some of the good people on this board are not aware of: A country cannot be Christian. God doesn't ordain a country. God doesn't have personal relationships with governments and couldn't care less about borders. Only PEOPLE can be Christians. Only PEOPLE can have a personal relationship with God. So if there is any condemnation for a lack of Christians in this country, the responsibility lies with those who claim to be evangelicals. If they taught relationships with God, instead of harping on the do's and don't's, it might just be a reversible trend. So long as they stand in the pulpit self-righteously pounding the pulpit and claiming they are doing God's will, that trend will not reverse.
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Originally Posted by carlos123
The U.S. is sick at heart and getting sicker.
Nonsense...............we just overcame a major inequity by electing a black President.....one whose only real competition was a woman who was big enough to forget the past discord and joined him in his cabinet. We are about to enter into one of the greatest renaissance periods in history. Massive infusion of funds into society has created virtually every giant advance in human history. From the opulence of Vienna, to the magnificence of the Forbidden City, to the Aqueducts of Rome to the development of computers.......all were brought about by public spending that jump started private creation........we are in a wonderful world.
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Originally Posted by carlos123
I would suggest that Christians have an exit strategy of some sort in place. To leave the U.S. if it becomes necessary to do so. I already have a place picked out and am fortunate to be a citizen of not only the U.S. but of another country that is out of the limelight.
I think you have a great idea......and the sooner you take advantage of it the better.
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Originally Posted by carlos123
A country whose overall society is such that living there is like going back in time 50 years. With traditional and family values based on principals of godly righteousness still more or less intact.
Carlos
Sorry, I would not willingly go back 50 years.......I was there 50 years ago. I remember it well. Today is much much better......but recognizing that doesn't satisfy your "poor poor pitiful me" need for sympathy, does it?
Thanks for your input Goodpasture. I can appreciate your perspective even if I don't entirely agree with some of your conclusions.
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Sorry, I would not willingly go back 50 years.......I was there 50 years ago. I remember it well. Today is much much better......but recognizing that doesn't satisfy your "poor poor pitiful me" need for sympathy, does it?
So because I disagree with you about the relative value of our present state of affairs when compared to the past...I am somehow unwilling to recognize the truth?? That I am unwilling to recognize the truth from your perspective because...well...because I want to feel sorry for myself and to have others feel sympathy for me??
That's just plain silly Goodpasture. Even if what you say is true...why in the world would I come here, to city-data, and post as I do? Do you also think I am a glutton for insults and put-downs, false accusations, and inuendos about my character? Condeming judgments about my faith in God and seemingly unceasing personal barbs thrown at me?
The Bible says that there will be terrible times in the last days. That to me implies that the latter times are going to be worse than the former times. At least as a general principal of things going from bad (as you obviously experienced them) to much, much worse.
You may not agree with some or most all of what I have said. Maybe my perspective is off on some things but I would hope that if you call yourself a Christian you might come to realize that things are not going to get better as we draw closer and closer to the Lord returning. They are just going to get worse. Much worse.
........... I would hope that if you call yourself a Christian you might come to realize that things are not going to get better as we draw closer and closer to the Lord returning.
That is the same thing that has been said since Revelation was written......it's one of those "better get right with God or it will be too late" messages that has been abused so badly. If YOU were a Christian, you would do what Jesus said to do. Jesus told us to NOT worry about tomorrow, it will take care of itself. Take care of those around you TODAY! forecasting the "end times" is a waste of time, misleading, and totally ineffectual. If you want a parlor game, try Scrabble.............
Our country did not need to believe in God 100% to maintain. Even though the foundation was based upon this belief, those who believe and those who did not, still shared in the rights given to us by God. This was the limitation placed upon Governments, whether the be federal, or state, or even local.
We started off this country with 2 major sins occuring, and according to the Bible they, back then, even sanctioned and used them. Slavery, and taxation. Had those 2 been nipped back then, we would not recognize our country today. The Republic would still stand! You would think that in 1500 years of evolving since Christ died, they could see that slavery was wrong.
Running off to another country will not help, unless it is to further the message of Christ. We must regain, by using the laws already in place, our country back from the hands of the plunderers. The socialistic mega government that has stolen our birth-right. But this has occured in the rest of the countries as well. We are no longer the light upon the many waters, as our light has diminished.
Being a Christian, AND a citizen are two entirely different things. Yes, the virtues carried by those claiming a moral high ground, and actually living by that standard will be a light for those who do not share your beliefs. But, if they choose not to embrace your life, or even your love, then that is also THEIR right, and we should vigorously defend that right. This is how our law was intended to work. To protect life, liberty, and property, ONLY!
I carry the banner of only claiming Jesus as my King, and Him alone. But, if I was the king of my own castle, then why can I not willingly subject myself to this, as it would be my right to do so.
Since the passage of so many laws, used as a cloak to support the weak, and the hungry, our previous generations have traded this freedom to subjection to another king, called the U.S.A. So now they have rulers to rule over them. They give the appearence of being free, by using the ballot to elect them into office. But in reality, the virtues of those IN office, only prove to be no better than those that have been removed. The only thing that changes, is in HOW they plunder, or WHAT the motivations are for this.
The individual has the power in a republican form of government, only by securing them, either by force, or by election. The government has the power in any OTHER form.
But remember this my fellow Christians. The lawful document called the Constitution still stands today. The men in power must swear an oath to it, to defend it at all cost, whether by a foreign invasion, or by a domestic overthrow.
Every time I say these things, some uninformed person will say something to the effect of this:
Don't we need laws to govern speed?
Don't we need laws to govern schools?
Don't we need money for police, and firefighters?
This has nothing to do with the founders, or the documents they secured by their blood. It has to do with the particular local you llive in. If a community chooses to support their police, or their firefighters, then so be it.
If a community wants to educate thier children, then it should be up to the locals as to what the studys should be. Parents should have a say in how their children are taught, and this is done by the parents giving a teacher the right to teach, by supporting the teacher. If the teacher is not teaching, then the parents come together and fire the teacher.
But my question is this. What does the above senario have to do with the parents in Maine, verses the parents in Hawaii? Nothing! Maybe the Hawaiian people would like to teach about the beautiful history of the islands, and the Maine populace would like to teach more on the founding of the country.
Sure they should sell some common books that teach math, or science, but this should be an enterprising venture. Competition is always healthy. What works and what doesn't.
I'll type more later as my 6 month old is having a fit...Love to all!!!
Thought I would share this with you all, as it really is a must read for those who feel as though government must take care of us from cradle to grave, and a must read for those who feel the opposite. In other words, this includes everyone. It is a pamplet written by a man who knew he was going to die, and also held in his heart, the belief in God. Written in 1849, Fredrick Bastiat died in 1850. Notice what he writes concerning America.
As long as these ideas prevail, it is clear that the responsibility of government is enormous. Good fortune and bad fortune, wealth and destitution, equality and inequality, virtue and vice -- all then depend upon political administration. It is burdened with everything, it undertakes everything, it does everything; therefore it is responsible for everything.
If we are fortunate, then government has a claim to our gratitude; but if we are unfortunate, then government must bear the blame. For are not our persons and property now at the disposal of government? Is not the law omnipotent?
In creating a monopoly of education, the government must answer to the hopes of the fathers of families who have thus been deprived of their liberty; and if these hopes are shattered, whose fault is it?
In regulating industry, the government has contracted to make it prosper; otherwise it is absurd to deprive industry of its liberty. And if industry now suffers, whose fault is it?
In meddling with the balance of trade by playing with tariffs, the government thereby contracts to make trade prosper; and if this results in destruction instead of prosperity, whose fault is it?
In giving protection instead of liberty to the industries for defense, the government has contracted to make them profitable; and if they become a burden to the taxpayers, whose fault is it?
Thus there is not a grievance in the nation for which the government does not voluntarily make itself responsible. Is it surprising, then, that every failure increases the threat of another revolution in France?
And what remedy is proposed for this? To extend indefinitely the domain of the law; that is, the responsibility of government.
But if the government undertakes to control and to raise wages, and cannot do it; if the government undertakes to care for all who may be in want, and cannot do it; if the government undertakes to support all unemployed workers, and cannot do it; if the government undertakes to lend interest- free money to all borrowers, and cannot do it;
if, in these words that we regret to say escaped from the pen of Mr. de Lamartine, "The state considers that its purpose is to enlighten, to develop, to enlarge, to strengthen, to spiritualize, and to sanctify the soul of the people" -- and if the government cannot do all of these things, what then? Is it not certain that after every government failure -- which, alas! is more than probable -- there will be an equally inevitable revolution?
...Jesus told us to NOT worry about tomorrow, it will take care of itself. Take care of those around you TODAY! forecasting the "end times" is a waste of time, misleading, and totally ineffectual. If you want a parlor game, try Scrabble.............
I do not worry about tomorrow Goodpasture. I only point out the fallacy of believing that the tomorrow of life in the United States will get or is better than the life of yesterday. Given the turning away from God and His standard of freedom and righteousness that has occured.
I only point out that the Bible is clear, in a general way, of saying that times closer to the end are going to be much worse than times closer to the beginning.
I do not claim to know when Jesus is returning. I do not beat people over the head telling them to repent for the time of his return is near. I have not done that to you or anywhere in any thread where I have posted.
Yet you mock what I say by telling me that if I want to play a parlor game that I should go play a game of Scrabble.
May I suggest that such mockery and response to what I am saying does not lead to fruitful or meaningful discussion? I have not said such things to you so why do you say them to me?
I did not read the whole thing HotinAZ but there is some really good stuff in there.
It makes me wonder if the only way to get back our freedoms in the United States is another revolution. Though I am not entirely certain that God would will it so.
Jesus said that His kingdom is not of this world and that we, his servants, should not fight for it as though it were.
I did not read the whole thing HotinAZ but there is some really good stuff in there.
It makes me wonder if the only way to get back our freedoms in the United States is another revolution. Though I am not entirely certain that God would will it so.
Jesus said that His kingdom is not of this world and that we, his servants, should not fight for it as though it were.
Carlos
While I would agree that a revolution is needed, it needs to be of the passive persuation. Gandhi style. If we would all put the weapons down, and just march in a MLK style, things would change, because there would not be a choice. Too many voices can drown out a minor power, and a flood of voices can drown out evil. They cannot kill us all, and as long as we are willing to die, for that which is Right, then we will let God do the rest.
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